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Today's Topics:

  1. Long-over-due Update (STEVE ALLEN)
  2. Re: Long-over-due Update (milo holroyd)
  3. Re: Long-over-due Update (Mike Meulenberg)
  4. Re: Long-over-due Update (Gene Derringer)
  5. Re: Long-over-due Update (Gene Derringer)
  6. Re: Long-over-due Update (Mark Johnson)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2025 15:25:45 -0700
From: STEVE ALLEN <steveallen855 at centurytel.net>
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Subject: [AT] Long-over-due Update
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Gentlemen!

I hope this missive reaches folks who are doing well!  Lots of changes in my life in the last year and a half, but, before I get personal, I have a real-life tractor conundrum.

It has to do with my son's '47 B - 207862.  If you'll remember, we had to replace the manifold on it.  This took a while, partly because the cold and wet of winter caught us partway through getting ready to put the new manifold on (broken stud, but that's not the subject of the question, just a cause for delay).
Had just about everything off above the engine to replace the manifold  Took the governor/fan assembly off whole.  Everything moved just fine.
When going back together we timed it per book instructions.  Got to the point of putting the mag on, and the whole thing was locked up.  Went through the various possibilities until it was time to test the governor.  We unbolted it, pried it up, and everything turned EXCEPT the governor.  Now, everything needs to come back off.
While we're getting it apart, what should we expect inside the governor?It turned when we put it on so that we could put the gears in alignment.  What could have happened when we then set it down and put in the bolts that would have locked it?
Any thoughts welcome and appreciated.
Everything is going well with the '51 A--we used it a couple weeks ago to mow and pull a dead tree oughta the creek.  My son bought a 207 Gyramor that we're rehabbing, which really doesn't need much (though it'd be nice to have a set of blades).  The one thing that we'd love to have (but can live without) is an axle--someone buggered up one end of the original, and we can no longer reverse the wheel arms.  If anyone knows of an axle or a parts machine, please send up a flare.
No progress on the '49 EXCEPT that I have determined that the flywheel, which we thought was tight, ain't.  So we gotta get after tightening it down.  I think I will pull the bolts out one at a time and reclean the threads.  We'll have to reset the position, but I hope not by much.
We pulled the land wheel off the 4b plow, and I demounted the rotten tire.  Great use of a Hi-lift Jack and a tractor drawbar.  Cleaned up the inside of the bead--not really all that bad--in fact, the whole hub and guts are in durn nice shape--and need to get it to the tire shop for a new tire and tube.  Can't hurry about that, though:  need to put a power steering gear box on my '95 Tahoe first.  Priorities.
Always somethin', ain't it?

Anyway, I again hope everyone is doing well, and, as always, I would appreciate any advice or ideas you might have there is such a wealth of info here.
The "original"  Steve Allen
'47 B - 207862
'49 A - 641033
'51 A - 670397
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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2025 19:27:26 -0400
From: milo holroyd <milo at milosmachineshed.com>
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Subject: Re: [AT] Long-over-due Update
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Wow! Seems good to see a post in here. I'm not as active as I use to be, 
(come to think of it, I was never that active :-) )

Anyway, first thought that comes to mind on the governor issue, is a? 
bolt that is too long installed somewhere in the assembly?

On 6/1/2025 6:25 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote:
> Gentlemen!
>
> I hope this missive reaches folks who are doing well!? Lots of changes 
> in my life in the last year and a half, but, before I get personal, I 
> have a real-life tractor conundrum.
>
> It has to do with my son's '47 B - 207862.? If you'll remember, we had 
> to replace the manifold on it.? This took a while, partly because the 
> cold and wet of winter caught us partway through getting ready to put 
> the new manifold on (broken stud, but that's not the subject of the 
> question, just a cause for delay).
>
> Had just about everything off above the engine to replace the 
> manifold. ?Took the governor/fan assembly off whole.? Everything moved 
> just fine.
>
> When going back together we timed it per book instructions. ?Got to 
> the point of putting the mag on, and the whole thing was locked up. 
> ?Went through the various possibilities until it was time to test the 
> governor. ?We unbolted it, pried it up, and everything turned EXCEPT 
> the governor. ?Now, everything needs to come back off.
>
> While we're getting it apart, what should we expect inside the 
> governor?It turned when we put it on so that we could put the gears in 
> alignment. ?What could have happened when we then set it down and put 
> in the bolts that would have locked it?
>
> Any thoughts welcome and appreciated.
>
> Everything is going well with the '51 A--we used it a couple weeks ago 
> to mow and pull a dead tree oughta the creek.? My son bought a 207 
> Gyramor that we're rehabbing, which really doesn't need much (though 
> it'd be nice to have a set of blades).? The one thing that we'd love 
> to have (but can live without) is an axle--someone buggered up one end 
> of the original, and we can no longer reverse the wheel arms.? If 
> anyone knows of an axle or a parts machine, please send up a flare.
>
> No progress on the '49 EXCEPT that I have determined that the 
> flywheel, which we thought was tight, ain't.? So we gotta get after 
> tightening it down.? I think I will pull the bolts out one at a time 
> and reclean the threads. We'll have to reset the position, but I hope 
> not by much.
>
> We pulled the land wheel off the 4b plow, and I demounted the rotten 
> tire.? Great use of a Hi-lift Jack and a tractor drawbar.? Cleaned up 
> the inside of the bead--not really all that bad--in fact, the whole 
> hub and guts are in durn nice shape--and need to get it to the tire 
> shop for a new tire and tube.? Can't hurry about that, though:? need 
> to put a power steering gear box on my '95 Tahoe first.? Priorities.
>
> Always somethin', ain't it?
>
>
> Anyway, I again hope everyone is doing well, and, as always, I would 
> appreciate any advice or ideas you might have there is such a wealth 
> of info here.
>
> The "original"? Steve Allen
>
> '47 B - 207862
>
> '49 A - 641033
>
> '51 A - 670397
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2025 22:37:42 -0400
From: Mike Meulenberg <meulenms at gmx.com>
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: Re: [AT] Long-over-due Update
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Can't be of any assistance with your issues, Steve, but it sure is nice 
to hear something from the ATIS list again!

Regards,

Mike M

On 6/1/2025 7:27 PM, milo holroyd wrote:
> Wow! Seems good to see a post in here. I'm not as active as I use to 
> be, (come to think of it, I was never that active :-) )
>
> Anyway, first thought that comes to mind on the governor issue, is a? 
> bolt that is too long installed somewhere in the assembly?
>
> On 6/1/2025 6:25 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote:
>> Gentlemen!
>>
>> I hope this missive reaches folks who are doing well!? Lots of 
>> changes in my life in the last year and a half, but, before I get 
>> personal, I have a real-life tractor conundrum.
>>
>> It has to do with my son's '47 B - 207862.? If you'll remember, we 
>> had to replace the manifold on it.? This took a while, partly because 
>> the cold and wet of winter caught us partway through getting ready to 
>> put the new manifold on (broken stud, but that's not the subject of 
>> the question, just a cause for delay).
>>
>> Had just about everything off above the engine to replace the 
>> manifold. ?Took the governor/fan assembly off whole.? Everything 
>> moved just fine.
>>
>> When going back together we timed it per book instructions. ?Got to 
>> the point of putting the mag on, and the whole thing was locked up. 
>> ?Went through the various possibilities until it was time to test the 
>> governor. ?We unbolted it, pried it up, and everything turned EXCEPT 
>> the governor. ?Now, everything needs to come back off.
>>
>> While we're getting it apart, what should we expect inside the 
>> governor?It turned when we put it on so that we could put the gears 
>> in alignment. ?What could have happened when we then set it down and 
>> put in the bolts that would have locked it?
>>
>> Any thoughts welcome and appreciated.
>>
>> Everything is going well with the '51 A--we used it a couple weeks 
>> ago to mow and pull a dead tree oughta the creek.? My son bought a 
>> 207 Gyramor that we're rehabbing, which really doesn't need much 
>> (though it'd be nice to have a set of blades).? The one thing that 
>> we'd love to have (but can live without) is an axle--someone buggered 
>> up one end of the original, and we can no longer reverse the wheel 
>> arms.? If anyone knows of an axle or a parts machine, please send up 
>> a flare.
>>
>> No progress on the '49 EXCEPT that I have determined that the 
>> flywheel, which we thought was tight, ain't.? So we gotta get after 
>> tightening it down.? I think I will pull the bolts out one at a time 
>> and reclean the threads. We'll have to reset the position, but I hope 
>> not by much.
>>
>> We pulled the land wheel off the 4b plow, and I demounted the rotten 
>> tire.? Great use of a Hi-lift Jack and a tractor drawbar.? Cleaned up 
>> the inside of the bead--not really all that bad--in fact, the whole 
>> hub and guts are in durn nice shape--and need to get it to the tire 
>> shop for a new tire and tube.? Can't hurry about that, though:? need 
>> to put a power steering gear box on my '95 Tahoe first.? Priorities.
>>
>> Always somethin', ain't it?
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I again hope everyone is doing well, and, as always, I would 
>> appreciate any advice or ideas you might have there is such a wealth 
>> of info here.
>>
>> The "original"? Steve Allen
>>
>> '47 B - 207862
>>
>> '49 A - 641033
>>
>> '51 A - 670397
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 05:40:53 -0700
From: Gene Derringer <gderringer at embarqmail.com>
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: Re: [AT] Long-over-due Update
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TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Sun, 1 Jun, 2025 at 7:27 PM, milo holroyd <milo at milosmachineshed.com> wrote:

To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com

Wow! Seems good to see a post in here. I'm not as active as I use to be, 
(come to think of it, I was never that active :-) )

Anyway, first thought that comes to mind on the governor issue, is a  
bolt that is too long installed somewhere in the assembly?

On 6/1/2025 6:25 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote:
> Gentlemen!
>
> I hope this missive reaches folks who are doing well!  Lots of changes 
> in my life in the last year and a half, but, before I get personal, I 
> have a real-life tractor conundrum.
>
> It has to do with my son's '47 B - 207862.  If you'll remember, we had 
> to replace the manifold on it.  This took a while, partly because the 
> cold and wet of winter caught us partway through getting ready to put 
> the new manifold on (broken stud, but that's not the subject of the 
> question, just a cause for delay).
>
> Had just about everything off above the engine to replace the 
> manifold.  Took the governor/fan assembly off whole.  Everything moved 
> just fine.
>
> When going back together we timed it per book instructions.  Got to 
> the point of putting the mag on, and the whole thing was locked up. 
>  Went through the various possibilities until it was time to test the 
> governor.  We unbolted it, pried it up, and everything turned EXCEPT 
> the governor.  Now, everything needs to come back off.
>
> While we're getting it apart, what should we expect inside the 
> governor?It turned when we put it on so that we could put the gears in 
> alignment.  What could have happened when we then set it down and put 
> in the bolts that would have locked it?
>
> Any thoughts welcome and appreciated.
>
> Everything is going well with the '51 A--we used it a couple weeks ago 
> to mow and pull a dead tree oughta the creek.  My son bought a 207 
> Gyramor that we're rehabbing, which really doesn't need much (though 
> it'd be nice to have a set of blades).  The one thing that we'd love 
> to have (but can live without) is an axle--someone buggered up one end 
> of the original, and we can no longer reverse the wheel arms.  If 
> anyone knows of an axle or a parts machine, please send up a flare.
>
> No progress on the '49 EXCEPT that I have determined that the 
> flywheel, which we thought was tight, ain't.  So we gotta get after 
> tightening it down.  I think I will pull the bolts out one at a time 
> and reclean the threads. We'll have to reset the position, but I hope 
> not by much.
>
> We pulled the land wheel off the 4b plow, and I demounted the rotten 
> tire.  Great use of a Hi-lift Jack and a tractor drawbar.  Cleaned up 
> the inside of the bead--not really all that bad--in fact, the whole 
> hub and guts are in durn nice shape--and need to get it to the tire 
> shop for a new tire and tube.  Can't hurry about that, though:  need 
> to put a power steering gear box on my '95 Tahoe first.  Priorities.
>
> Always somethin', ain't it?
>
>
> Anyway, I again hope everyone is doing well, and, as always, I would 
> appreciate any advice or ideas you might have there is such a wealth 
> of info here.
>
> The "original"  Steve Allen
>
> '47 B - 207862
>
> '49 A - 641033
>
> '51 A - 670397
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 05:41:50 -0700
From: Gene Derringer <gderringer at embarqmail.com>
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TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Sun, 1 Jun, 2025 at 6:27 PM, STEVE ALLEN <steveallen855 at centurytel.net> wrote:

To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com

Gentlemen!

I hope this missive reaches folks who are doing well!  Lots of changes in my life in the last year and a half, but, before I get personal, I have a real-life tractor conundrum.

It has to do with my son's '47 B - 207862.  If you'll remember, we had to replace the manifold on it.  This took a while, partly because the cold and wet of winter caught us partway through getting ready to put the new manifold on (broken stud, but that's not the subject of the question, just a cause for delay).
Had just about everything off above the engine to replace the manifold  Took the governor/fan assembly off whole.  Everything moved just fine.
When going back together we timed it per book instructions.  Got to the point of putting the mag on, and the whole thing was locked up.  Went through the various possibilities until it was time to test the governor.  We unbolted it, pried it up, and everything turned EXCEPT the governor.  Now, everything needs to come back off.
While we're getting it apart, what should we expect inside the governor?It turned when we put it on so that we could put the gears in alignment.  What could have happened when we then set it down and put in the bolts that would have locked it?
Any thoughts welcome and appreciated.
Everything is going well with the '51 A--we used it a couple weeks ago to mow and pull a dead tree oughta the creek.  My son bought a 207 Gyramor that we're rehabbing, which really doesn't need much (though it'd be nice to have a set of blades).  The one thing that we'd love to have (but can live without) is an axle--someone buggered up one end of the original, and we can no longer reverse the wheel arms.  If anyone knows of an axle or a parts machine, please send up a flare.
No progress on the '49 EXCEPT that I have determined that the flywheel, which we thought was tight, ain't.  So we gotta get after tightening it down.  I think I will pull the bolts out one at a time and reclean the threads.  We'll have to reset the position, but I hope not by much.
We pulled the land wheel off the 4b plow, and I demounted the rotten tire.  Great use of a Hi-lift Jack and a tractor drawbar.  Cleaned up the inside of the bead--not really all that bad--in fact, the whole hub and guts are in durn nice shape--and need to get it to the tire shop for a new tire and tube.  Can't hurry about that, though:  need to put a power steering gear box on my '95 Tahoe first.  Priorities.
Always somethin', ain't it?

Anyway, I again hope everyone is doing well, and, as always, I would appreciate any advice or ideas you might have there is such a wealth of info here.
The "original"  Steve Allen
'47 B - 207862
'49 A - 641033
'51 A - 670397
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 06:25:42 -0700
From: Mark Johnson <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>
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Steve:

I can't offer much advice except the obvious: Don't run the '49 until you're sure the flywheel is tight! We cracked a couple of flywheels on 730's by running them loose...somewhere in the weeds on our southern Indiana farm, or maybe buried with the burned-out remains of a barn, there are two of those 100+ pound hernia generators. 

Irrelevant story: At one point, one of my first cousins and I considered building the world's heaviest two-wheel cart, using those two flywheels and the axle out of a 1903 Cadillac, which was sitting in the barn next to the flywheels!

Mark JColumbia MO

On Sun, 1 Jun, 2025 at 5:26 PM, STEVE ALLEN <steveallen855 at centurytel.net> wrote:

To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com

Gentlemen!

I hope this missive reaches folks who are doing well!  Lots of changes in my life in the last year and a half, but, before I get personal, I have a real-life tractor conundrum.

It has to do with my son's '47 B - 207862.  If you'll remember, we had to replace the manifold on it.  This took a while, partly because the cold and wet of winter caught us partway through getting ready to put the new manifold on (broken stud, but that's not the subject of the question, just a cause for delay).
Had just about everything off above the engine to replace the manifold  Took the governor/fan assembly off whole.  Everything moved just fine.
When going back together we timed it per book instructions.  Got to the point of putting the mag on, and the whole thing was locked up.  Went through the various possibilities until it was time to test the governor.  We unbolted it, pried it up, and everything turned EXCEPT the governor.  Now, everything needs to come back off.
While we're getting it apart, what should we expect inside the governor?It turned when we put it on so that we could put the gears in alignment.  What could have happened when we then set it down and put in the bolts that would have locked it?
Any thoughts welcome and appreciated.
Everything is going well with the '51 A--we used it a couple weeks ago to mow and pull a dead tree oughta the creek.  My son bought a 207 Gyramor that we're rehabbing, which really doesn't need much (though it'd be nice to have a set of blades).  The one thing that we'd love to have (but can live without) is an axle--someone buggered up one end of the original, and we can no longer reverse the wheel arms.  If anyone knows of an axle or a parts machine, please send up a flare.
No progress on the '49 EXCEPT that I have determined that the flywheel, which we thought was tight, ain't.  So we gotta get after tightening it down.  I think I will pull the bolts out one at a time and reclean the threads.  We'll have to reset the position, but I hope not by much.
We pulled the land wheel off the 4b plow, and I demounted the rotten tire.  Great use of a Hi-lift Jack and a tractor drawbar.  Cleaned up the inside of the bead--not really all that bad--in fact, the whole hub and guts are in durn nice shape--and need to get it to the tire shop for a new tire and tube.  Can't hurry about that, though:  need to put a power steering gear box on my '95 Tahoe first.  Priorities.
Always somethin', ain't it?

Anyway, I again hope everyone is doing well, and, as always, I would appreciate any advice or ideas you might have there is such a wealth of info here.
The "original"  Steve Allen
'47 B - 207862
'49 A - 641033
'51 A - 670397
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