[AT] Dealing with landlords when needing rented land

Wed Jun 15 07:25:17 PDT 2022

My great grandpa hand dug a 1/4 mile trench to get city water to his farm, maybe you should suggest people do that.  :-)

Brian

>     On 06/15/2022 9:54 AM Carl Szabelski <c.s.szabelski at gmail.com> wrote:
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>     300 people/sq mi seems a lot, that’s roughly a person for every 2 sq mi, you would need some large families if there were any large sections of land. We don’t have that in our township. We are roughly 22 sq mi with a population of about 3,400 (based on 2010 census). That’s roughly half of what you require. We often hear other local townships refer to us as the least populated and poorest township in the county. We do have some large sections of land, but not many. Most of our township is classified as agricultural. We are however, starting to see a lot of new houses going up. That’s results in requests for city water, which we do have access to, but it requires over 50% of the land owners (based on total acreage) to agree to pay the cost. That makes for some very interesting township board meetings where I have to listen to both sides and bite my tongue so that it doesn’t appear that the township board is taking sides. It only takes on person with a large section of land, and a couple of people with smaller sections, to not agree to having water to kill the effort, or limit how far the water will go. One effort took three years to develop a route that met the requirements with enough support. Some really determine people did a lot of leg work for those three years to develop a route and get enough signatures to present a petition to the township board. Then our headaches started.
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>     Carl
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>     On Wednesday, June 15, 2022, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com mailto:mogrits at gmail.com > wrote:
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>         > >         Carl I missed your replies to my post until now but we don't' have hamlet and village classifications, only Townships with the same requirements you listed and the 300 people/sqmile. We could have done this with minimal, and I mean minimal, tax requirements as long as office-holders promised to be "do-nothing" office holders but how long would that last? Some large landholders here have put their land and farms in conservation trusts and that will help a lot.
> >         Warren
> > 
> >         On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:41 PM Carl Szabelski <c.s.szabelski at gmail.com mailto:c.s.szabelski at gmail.com > wrote:
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> >             > > > Not sure, never actually looked into all the in and outs of the program since I never had the minimum acreage. It’s essentially a contract between the land owner, the utility, and the state. I would guess that after 100 years the owner can do whatever they want with the trees and land. I would think that the value of 100 year growth trees would be a big incentive to keep the trees and harvest them, even as an investment should the land have to be sold.
> > > 
> > >             There are some cities here in Michigan that plant trees on large city owned tracts, and when mature, sell the lumber. Meanwhile, the cites use the land for hiking, snowmobiling, etc., attacking tourism and revenue. You can tell that that’s what been done because the trees are in nice straight rows wherever you look.
> > > 
> > >             Carl
> > > 
> > >             On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, Howard Pletcher <hrpletch at gmail.com mailto:hrpletch at gmail.com > wrote:
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> > >                 > > > >                 Carl,
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> > > >                 What happens if the land has to be withdrawn for the land bank program for some reason. perhaps like the government wants for a major project?  I presume there would be some sizable penalty.  Or can it only be sold to someone who will keep it in the bank after you move away or die which obviously will greatly affect the value of the land.  After the 100 years, is it open to development?
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> > > >                 Howard
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> > > >                 On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:16 AM Carl Szabelski <c.s.szabelski at gmail.com mailto:c.s.szabelski at gmail.com > wrote:
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> > > >                     > > > > > In Michigan, we can put land into essentially a land bank by agreeing to plant the land with trees under a program with the state and local utility. The land has to remain untouched for a hundred years. It’s an effort to slow development and keep utility needs from growing out of hand.
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> > > > >                     Carl
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