[AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO/ now wood prices

Mike M meulenms at gmx.com
Sun May 30 16:43:55 PDT 2021


Hi Dean,
Yes what I was referring to was a standard 2x4 like is used in general
construction, not pressure treated. Prices here are $8 a piece per board
and it used to be $2. I have a short piece of 2x4 about a foot long that
I use to jam my mower blades to take them off to sharpen them, it's
literally worth a dollar.

Mike M

On 5/30/2021 4:25 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Do you mean by “white board” Pine, Fir or Hemlock? I need to check but
> I believe I have heard others talking about 8’ 2 x 4’s running $8
> apiece.  .    Have been to lumber stores recently looking at deck
> stuff bit haven’t looked at 2 x 4 x 8’ since they are not used much in
> a deck.  I need to look at pressure treated lumber too since all wood
> under the composite deck boards will be treated lumber.  I just
> received a  quote on what a right angle corner bench 10 x 6’ mounted
> to the joists and built out of the same composite boards used on the
> deck as an increase to the existing quote….$1800. The previous quote
> supposedly included benches.  I’m dumfounded by the quotes I  am
> getting. I may be trying to do something that is out of the ordinary
> for today’s contractors.  I’m trying to nail down the details so that
> there aren’t add-on charges during the project.   That may exclude
> some bidders in today’s market place.   I make decisions on what
> contractors I might be able to trust based on their responses to me
> trying to nail down details.  The lowest price is third down the list
> is 1.) A trustworthy contractor and a 2.) deck built to expectations
> and layout. I’m finding that some contractors don’t like being pinned
> down on details that are important to me.  I sure hope they aren’t
> trying to play games.   I think it is reasonable for me to ask when
> and where what type of screws will  have to be used versus which
>  version of clips and will the screw holes be counter sunk and
> filled?  Is that unreasonable?  I don’t want any more screws used than
> is necessary.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike M
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 29, 2021 1:10 PM
> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
>
> Dean, I'd be curious to know what prices are out west. Here in
> Michigan a 2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to
> have a pole barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet of OSB is $40
>
> Mike M
>
> On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
>     Spencer,
>
>       Never want to let the little stuff get in the way. And …. lumber
>     is cheap right now. Just received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000
>     deck project. That just plain dumfounds me.
>
>     Dean VP
>
>     Snohomish, WA 98290
>
>     "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
>     gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
>     ..Winston Churchill...
>
>     *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
>     *Spencer Yost
>     *Sent:* Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM
>     *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
>
>     I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t have a single sane, logical
>     reason other than I just love to watch them in action. Since I
>     have small acreage I thought it would be interesting to try to use
>     one.  Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I would
>     have to haul one in from afar and they are difficult to transport.
>     So I’ve never had the opportunity to buy one that was in good
>     enough shape to be worth the effort to transport.
>
>     Plus it would take up a lot of my nonexistent shed space.  (-:  I
>     could not keep it out of the rain without erecting a shed.   The
>     lumber would cost more than the rotobaler (-:
>
>     Spencer
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>         On May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson
>         <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
>         <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>
>         
>
>         Herb & all:
>
>         I remember that we had two different JD A's and a 620 when I
>         was growing up...the 'old' A definitely did not have live PTO.
>         The 'new' A (pressed steel frame instead of cast iron) *might*
>         have had live PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything
>         later that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We used the
>         620 and 730s to power our AC roto baler. The IH 300 would have
>         had enough power, but lacked the live PTO, so it got relegated
>         to rake duty. My dad said this of the original AC roto baler
>         design: "I never baled with it without something breaking
>         during the day. But I also never failed to finish baling what
>         we had raked and ready." Admittedly, ours was old, and had
>         been extensively rebuilt. Even at that, the latch plates that
>         held the upper and lower belt gangs in the 'roll a bale"
>         position had some wear, and would occasionally release without
>         being tripped - either while we were running twine, or even
>         before that. I always thought of it as the baler "throwing up"
>         on us.
>
>         If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just carried the
>         hay back around to the pickup deck and ran it through again :-).
>
>         For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler as being an
>         engineer's dream and a mechanic's nightmare. Lots of manual
>         operation (stopping to feed twine manually, then tripping the
>         release to eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
>         there was a later version, never produced or built only in
>         small quantities, that had a way to 'hold' hay while the twine
>         feed was running, so the operator didn't have to stop for each
>         bale. I can only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a
>         beast. Can anybody confirm or deny?
>
>         Mark J
>
>         On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>
>             I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis
>             Chalmers.  Built to power the AC roto baler.  The hand
>             clutch stopped forward travel and left he PTO running.   I
>             really liked running my old WD, just hated the seat.  I
>             still have kinks in my back from it...
>             Cecil
>
>             On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM, HERBERT METZ wrote:
>
>                 Dean, I certainly agree and hope that purists pick up
>                 on this by sharing their knowledge of history of these
>                 two PTO systems.  Herb(GA)
>
>                     On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM Dean VP <deanvp at att.net>
>                     <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>
>                     Herb,
>
>                     In addition to your question when did LIVE PTO
>                     arrive and what tractor Manufacturer provided it. 
>                     I do believe there is a distinction needed to be
>                     made between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and LIVE PTO for
>                     the purists
>
>                     Dean VP
>
>                     *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>                     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On
>                     Behalf Of *HERBERT METZ
>                     *Sent:* Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM
>                     *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>                     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>                     <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>                     *Subject:* [AT] history of PTO's on tractors
>
>                     When did PTO's  first appear on tractors? I assume
>                     sickle bar mowers was one of the first implements
>                     that PTO's appeared on?
>
>                     I use an Allis Chalmers  PTO powered four foot
>                     tiller behind my AC720 large lawn tractor; sure is
>                     a nice way to till our large vegetable garden.
>
>                     Herb(GA)
>
>
>
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