[AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO/ now wood prices
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Sun May 30 16:43:55 PDT 2021
Hi Dean,
Yes what I was referring to was a standard 2x4 like is used in general
construction, not pressure treated. Prices here are $8 a piece per board
and it used to be $2. I have a short piece of 2x4 about a foot long that
I use to jam my mower blades to take them off to sharpen them, it's
literally worth a dollar.
Mike M
On 5/30/2021 4:25 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Do you mean by “white board” Pine, Fir or Hemlock? I need to check but
> I believe I have heard others talking about 8’ 2 x 4’s running $8
> apiece. . Have been to lumber stores recently looking at deck
> stuff bit haven’t looked at 2 x 4 x 8’ since they are not used much in
> a deck. I need to look at pressure treated lumber too since all wood
> under the composite deck boards will be treated lumber. I just
> received a quote on what a right angle corner bench 10 x 6’ mounted
> to the joists and built out of the same composite boards used on the
> deck as an increase to the existing quote….$1800. The previous quote
> supposedly included benches. I’m dumfounded by the quotes I am
> getting. I may be trying to do something that is out of the ordinary
> for today’s contractors. I’m trying to nail down the details so that
> there aren’t add-on charges during the project. That may exclude
> some bidders in today’s market place. I make decisions on what
> contractors I might be able to trust based on their responses to me
> trying to nail down details. The lowest price is third down the list
> is 1.) A trustworthy contractor and a 2.) deck built to expectations
> and layout. I’m finding that some contractors don’t like being pinned
> down on details that are important to me. I sure hope they aren’t
> trying to play games. I think it is reasonable for me to ask when
> and where what type of screws will have to be used versus which
> version of clips and will the screw holes be counter sunk and
> filled? Is that unreasonable? I don’t want any more screws used than
> is necessary.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike M
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 29, 2021 1:10 PM
> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
>
> Dean, I'd be curious to know what prices are out west. Here in
> Michigan a 2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to
> have a pole barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet of OSB is $40
>
> Mike M
>
> On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> Spencer,
>
> Never want to let the little stuff get in the way. And …. lumber
> is cheap right now. Just received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000
> deck project. That just plain dumfounds me.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Spencer Yost
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
>
> I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t have a single sane, logical
> reason other than I just love to watch them in action. Since I
> have small acreage I thought it would be interesting to try to use
> one. Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I would
> have to haul one in from afar and they are difficult to transport.
> So I’ve never had the opportunity to buy one that was in good
> enough shape to be worth the effort to transport.
>
> Plus it would take up a lot of my nonexistent shed space. (-: I
> could not keep it out of the rain without erecting a shed. The
> lumber would cost more than the rotobaler (-:
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson
> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Herb & all:
>
> I remember that we had two different JD A's and a 620 when I
> was growing up...the 'old' A definitely did not have live PTO.
> The 'new' A (pressed steel frame instead of cast iron) *might*
> have had live PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything
> later that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We used the
> 620 and 730s to power our AC roto baler. The IH 300 would have
> had enough power, but lacked the live PTO, so it got relegated
> to rake duty. My dad said this of the original AC roto baler
> design: "I never baled with it without something breaking
> during the day. But I also never failed to finish baling what
> we had raked and ready." Admittedly, ours was old, and had
> been extensively rebuilt. Even at that, the latch plates that
> held the upper and lower belt gangs in the 'roll a bale"
> position had some wear, and would occasionally release without
> being tripped - either while we were running twine, or even
> before that. I always thought of it as the baler "throwing up"
> on us.
>
> If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just carried the
> hay back around to the pickup deck and ran it through again :-).
>
> For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler as being an
> engineer's dream and a mechanic's nightmare. Lots of manual
> operation (stopping to feed twine manually, then tripping the
> release to eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
> there was a later version, never produced or built only in
> small quantities, that had a way to 'hold' hay while the twine
> feed was running, so the operator didn't have to stop for each
> bale. I can only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a
> beast. Can anybody confirm or deny?
>
> Mark J
>
> On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>
> I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis
> Chalmers. Built to power the AC roto baler. The hand
> clutch stopped forward travel and left he PTO running. I
> really liked running my old WD, just hated the seat. I
> still have kinks in my back from it...
> Cecil
>
> On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM, HERBERT METZ wrote:
>
> Dean, I certainly agree and hope that purists pick up
> on this by sharing their knowledge of history of these
> two PTO systems. Herb(GA)
>
> On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM Dean VP <deanvp at att.net>
> <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> In addition to your question when did LIVE PTO
> arrive and what tractor Manufacturer provided it.
> I do believe there is a distinction needed to be
> made between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and LIVE PTO for
> the purists
>
> Dean VP
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On
> Behalf Of *HERBERT METZ
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM
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> *Subject:* [AT] history of PTO's on tractors
>
> When did PTO's first appear on tractors? I assume
> sickle bar mowers was one of the first implements
> that PTO's appeared on?
>
> I use an Allis Chalmers PTO powered four foot
> tiller behind my AC720 large lawn tractor; sure is
> a nice way to till our large vegetable garden.
>
> Herb(GA)
>
>
>
>
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