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Hi Dean,<br>
Yes what I was referring to was a standard 2x4 like is used in
general construction, not pressure treated. Prices here are $8 a
piece per board and it used to be $2. I have a short piece of 2x4
about a foot long that I use to jam my mower blades to take them off
to sharpen them, it's literally worth a dollar. <br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/30/2021 4:25 PM, Dean VP wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you mean by “white board” Pine, Fir or
Hemlock? I need to check but I believe I have heard others
talking about 8’ 2 x 4’s running $8 apiece. . Have been to
lumber stores recently looking at deck stuff bit haven’t
looked at 2 x 4 x 8’ since they are not used much in a deck.
I need to look at pressure treated lumber too since all wood
under the composite deck boards will be treated lumber. I
just received a quote on what a right angle corner bench 10 x
6’ mounted to the joists and built out of the same composite
boards used on the deck as an increase to the existing
quote….$1800. The previous quote supposedly included benches.
I’m dumfounded by the quotes I am getting. I may be trying
to do something that is out of the ordinary for today’s
contractors. I’m trying to nail down the details so that
there aren’t add-on charges during the project. That may
exclude some bidders in today’s market place. I make
decisions on what contractors I might be able to trust based
on their responses to me trying to nail down details. The
lowest price is third down the list is 1.) A trustworthy
contractor and a 2.) deck built to expectations and layout.
I’m finding that some contractors don’t like being pinned down
on details that are important to me. I sure hope they aren’t
trying to play games. I think it is reasonable for me to ask
when and where what type of screws will have to be used
versus which version of clips and will the screw holes be
counter sunk and filled? Is that unreasonable? I don’t want
any more screws used than is necessary. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 29, 2021 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors ....
when LIVE PTO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dean, I'd be
curious to know what prices are out west. Here in Michigan a
2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to have
a pole barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet of OSB
is $40<br>
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Mike M<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Never want to let the little stuff get
in the way. And …. lumber is cheap right now. Just received
a $40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck project. That just plain
dumfounds me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Spencer Yost<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM<br>
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.... when LIVE PTO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t
have a single sane, logical reason other than I just love to
watch them in action. Since I have small acreage I thought
it would be interesting to try to use one. Unfortunately
they were never popular around here so I would have to haul
one in from afar and they are difficult to transport. So
I’ve never had the opportunity to buy one that was in good
enough shape to be worth the effort to transport.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Plus it would take up a lot of my
nonexistent shed space. (-: I could not keep it out of
the rain without erecting a shed. The lumber would cost
more than the rotobaler (-:<o:p></o:p></p>
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May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson <<a
href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>>
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<p>Herb & all: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I remember that we had two different JD A's and a
620 when I was growing up...the 'old' A definitely
did not have live PTO. The 'new' A (pressed steel
frame instead of cast iron) *might* have had live
PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything
later that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We
used the 620 and 730s to power our AC roto baler.
The IH 300 would have had enough power, but lacked
the live PTO, so it got relegated to rake duty. My
dad said this of the original AC roto baler design:
"I never baled with it without something breaking
during the day. But I also never failed to finish
baling what we had raked and ready." Admittedly,
ours was old, and had been extensively rebuilt. Even
at that, the latch plates that held the upper and
lower belt gangs in the 'roll a bale" position had
some wear, and would occasionally release without
being tripped - either while we were running twine,
or even before that. I always thought of it as the
baler "throwing up" on us.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just
carried the hay back around to the pickup deck and
ran it through again :-). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler
as being an engineer's dream and a mechanic's
nightmare. Lots of manual operation (stopping to
feed twine manually, then tripping the release to
eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
there was a later version, never produced or built
only in small quantities, that had a way to 'hold'
hay while the twine feed was running, so the
operator didn't have to stop for each bale. I can
only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a
beast. Can anybody confirm or deny?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Mark J<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil
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<p>I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis
Chalmers. Built to power the AC roto baler. The
hand clutch stopped forward travel and left he PTO
running. I really liked running my old WD, just
hated the seat. I still have kinks in my back
from it...<br>
Cecil<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM, HERBERT
METZ wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Dean,
I certainly agree and hope that purists pick
up on this by sharing their knowledge of
history of these two PTO systems. Herb(GA)
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Dean VP <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In
addition to your question when did LIVE PTO
arrive and what tractor Manufacturer
provided it. I do believe there is a
distinction needed to be made between
INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and LIVE PTO for the
purists<o:p></o:p></p>
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VP<o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of </span></strong>HERBERT
METZ<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong>
Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM<br>
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[AT] history of PTO's on tractors<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">When
did PTO's first appear on tractors? I
assume sickle bar mowers was one of the
first implements that PTO's appeared on?
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I
use an Allis Chalmers PTO powered four
foot tiller behind my AC720 large lawn
tractor; sure is a nice way to till our
large vegetable garden. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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