[AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Sun May 9 13:54:22 PDT 2021
Dean, I have an area that I need to smooth out, if it ever stops
raining, here in Michigan, I'll show before and after pics of what the
TSC harrow will do. Hopefully that will help with decision.
Regards,
Mike M
On 5/9/2021 12:32 AM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> I think I’m going to crawl, walk, run into the solution to my
> problem. I found a piece of truss plow beam that is about 40 to 45”
> long and it is really heavy. I think I’ll attach some chain
> connections on the bar and pull that behind the Garden Tractor when I
> mow and see what that does to the mole ands pocket gopher mounds.
> Since those are loose dirt it should scatter those pretty well. I
> knock them down with the mower deck a bit before I mow anyway. The
> bar won’t move hard ground but the impression I’m getting the chain
> harrow won’t either. Then I might try the hurricane fence and cinder
> blocks. I think what I am being told is the chain harrow doesn’t
> really work well on hard ground. Even though our ground will remain
> wet for at least two more months. The one attribute I do like about
> the chain harrow is it’s dethatching attributes.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike M
> *Sent:* Friday, May 7, 2021 7:52 PM
> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???
>
> Hey Dean, I think people call different implements by different names
> around the country. I have always called this implement just a disc,
> no spinning blades. This implement would loosen the soil and then a
> drag would put a polish in it. I use extra railroad ties for weight,
> they are very heavy. It will still flex, but gives it more digging
> power. It will still bounce over the rocks. We live in a very rocky
> area, and the only time I've rocks pulled up is with an Ag sized
> tractors. I've had my drag for 10 years now, and I think you wouldn't
> be satisfied, depending on your soil type. Option #2 do you have any
> people around you that cut hay? I used to cut about 10 acres with a
> bush hog. Found a guy with a cattle operation, and he came in, worked
> it up, got rid of the rocks and hayed it. Gave it to him for free,
> for doing the work, and I saved hours, and the hay went to good use.
>
> https://youtu.be/vsc6coGeB7s
>
> Mike M
>
> On 5/7/2021 5:55 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Thx for the feedback. How and where do you place the weight on
> something that is so flexible.? IMHO a disc harrow is out of the
> question due to how many rocks it would dig up. I may have an
> impossible objective. Level and smooth the surface but don’t
> disturb the rocks. At least don’t bring the bigger ones to the
> surface. Rocks and spinning mower blades are not compatible.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike M
> *Sent:* Friday, May 7, 2021 12:47 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???
>
> Hi Dean,
> I have a 6x8 version of the exact drag you posted. . I've used it
> to smooth my gravel driveway, I've used it to smooth our sand
> arena, and our paddock and round pen. There were times I had add
> weight, 200 to 300 lbs so it would deeper. For the paddock and
> round pen, I did not need the weight and I could pull it with my
> garden tractor, although it worked the crap out of it.For the sand
> arena I needed 4x4 because of depth of the sand. Depending on your
> soil type it may work, but their is no guarantee. IMHO a disc
> harrow would be better.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 5/7/2021 6:32 AM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> What do you guys think of this unit from Tractor Supply at
> $259 and then attaching a 4’ heavy plow beam section at the
> tail end to create more down pressure due to added tension and
> smooth things out a bit after the teeth do their job? I would
> then just drag this behind the Garden Tractor when I mowed. I
> don’t think the drag rake by itself would do the job but
> adding the heavy plow beam at the tail end might help quite a
> bit. A longer tow chain might reduce the tendency to lift the
> front of the drag harrow too. Worst case one could add weight
> on top but I don’t see how that weight gets distributed very
> well with a chain drag. See URL Link below:
>
> https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/yard-tuff-4-ft-x-4-ft-heavy-duty-drag-harrow
>
> This can be purchased elsewhere for $239 but then $70 to $80
> freight is added. At $259 at TSC is gets delivered to the
> store. That is only 7 ½ miles away for me. Haven’t found
> anything that beats that yet.
>
> PS, I was thinking of pulling my water filled barrel roller
> behind this to push the loosened rock back into the ground but
> that is too heavy and cumbersome I think 😊 And would not
> work very good going down hill. 😊
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
> and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
> of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
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> *Dean VP
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 1:51 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???
>
> One thing there is no shortage of here is tractors. They
> range from Garden Tractors, to Compact Tractors to a 720
> Diesel John Deere. I do have about a 12’ section of pretty
> heavy channel iron that I use to level dirt but since it is
> ridged I don’t think it would work very good in the pasture,
> but I suppose if I went in enough directions it might get most
> of the mounds. Maybe I could just drag it behind the Garden
> Tractor every time I mow. I don’t see how it could make
> things worse. Hmmm, I’m starting to warm up to this idea.
> Maybe I could attach some weights to it too. Need to see if
> the messes up the mowing that the channel iron has been drug
> over before I get to mowing it. Wonder if there is a way to
> offset it. Hmmmm, this could get intelesting. May not work
> if it drags the loose clippings too much. What if I just drug
> a heavy beam the width of the mower deck. That would at least
> knock down the Mole and Pocket Gopher mounds a bit. At least
> doing it the same time I mow would eliminate duplicate trips
> over the field. Intelesting. Could drag a drag a 4’ wide 8’
> long section drag harrow behind while mowing too. Need to have
> something that weighs enough to not bounce around on top.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
> and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing
> of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???
>
> You likely do not a big enough tractor. This what we did when
> we moved a house across the hay meadow in winter.
>
> We were left with deep ruts. The truck bogged down for two
> weeks. Finally got truck and house out in on the pad.
>
> We had huge massy Ferguson tractor and a 30 foot length of
> heavy railroad rail with a loop of heavy chain welded to both
> ends. Hooked the tractor to the center of the chain and drug
> it over the ruts.
>
> It filled the ruts and leveled it flat as a board.
>
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> On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 6:59 AM, Mark Johnson
>
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>
> That one looks very similar to the one I spent many an
> hour dragging
> around the farm as a teenager - ours resembled two of
> these (12' wide)
> ganged together. My dad believed it did an adequate job...
>
> Mark J
>
> On 5/4/2021 11:39 PM, Dean VP wrote:
> > Here is one that looks interesting. Not sure if it has
> adequate pin density
> >
> >
> https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/loyal-drag-harrow-6-ft-x-8-ft
> >
> >
> > Dean VP
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
> ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
> equal sharing of misery."
> > ..Winston Churchill...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf
> Of Dean VP
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 9:18 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???
> >
> > Spencer,
> >
> > That is it. Drag or chain harrow is the name that seems
> to work here too. Haven't found a single used one for sale
> yet. Tractor Supply and Northern Tool have some that
> might be worth looking at. I wonder if the rental yards
> have them. That would be a way to test to see how it
> works before purchasing.
> >
> > Dean VP
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
> ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
> equal sharing of misery."
> > ..Winston Churchill...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf
> Of Spencer Yost
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 4:05 PM
> > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???
> >
> > Drag harrow is what I think they’re called mainly around
> the country. I hear “chain harrow” around here more
> frequently. It’s probably your only option if you’re
> trying your best not to disturb more than an inch or two
> down and also not kill half your grass.
> >
> > I can’t even think of anything else that would do the
> job yet also leave stones unturned.
> >
> > I use it after disking to create a better seed bed and
> also in my pasture to de-thatch and scarify the surface
> after plugging but before fertilizing, seeding and
> spreading compost.
> >
> > PS: this is the type of implement that people often buy
> for a single reseeding project and then resell. I’ll bet
> some chain harrows have had dozens of owners. So check
> Craigslist.
> >
> > Spencer
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 4, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net
> <mailto:deanvp at att.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have 6 acres that I mow with my Garden tractor 3 of
> which is a
> >> pasture on a slope which at one time had horses on it.
> Now I try to
> >> keep the pasture looking nice by mowing it with my
> Garden Tractor
> >> albeit at a slightly higher cut than the rest of the
> regular lawn. The
> >> last couple of years the pasture has gotten really
> rough from multiple
> >> sources including our not so friendly Moles and pocket
> gophers. There
> >> are several old growth stumps buried in the pasture
> which was well
> >> done except will the dirt fill occurs it doesn't
> completely fill all
> >> around the stump down below. So over time and our
> incessant rain some
> >> settling occurs and even some small occur. I try to
> fill the gaps
> >> with dirt as I find them but each year 2 or 3 more show
> up. So bottom
> >> line is the pasture has gotten rough and beats the crap
> out of me when I mow it. I would like to use a tool to try
> to smooth it out a bit and
> >> thatching the grass mat in places would not be a bad
> thing. But our soil
> >> is terrible and at best could described as glacial till
> filled with various
> >> sized rocks. So I really don't want to disturb the
> rocks too much since I
> >> have to mow it later. So I want to smooth the soil
> out, not disturb it too
> >> much. Known as a quandary.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking about acquiring pasture rake or drag with
> short teeth on
> >> it to work the top couple inches or so and try to
> smooth out the mole and gopher
> >> mounds which I have manually knocked down a bit prior
> to mowing, I have no
> >> experience with a pasture type rake. I have experience
> with a spiked
> >> toothed drag we used on the farm in NW Iowa. But that
> was used to
> >> smooth out loose ground in preparation for planting
> corn or soy
> >> beans. That isn't what I need. I think I need maybe 4
> 4' square
> >> flexible sections that can flex with the varying
> terrain and catch the
> >> low as well as high spots. I think I can pull an 8' 8'
> unit with my 20
> >> to 22 HP Garden tractors. I'm more concerned about
> traction but I can
> >> put chains on if necessary. I'm thinking I would want
> to take several
> >> passes at various different directions. And hopefully I
> could use this same implement to dethatch the rest of the
> lawn.
> >>
> >> Some of you surely have experience with something like
> what I need.
> >> What do I need? What are it's critical attributes?
> Where do I buy it?
> >> I do live in Horse country so there are a few stores
> that cater to
> >> horse owners and of course I have Tractor Supply,
> Lowes, Home Dept,
> >> Grainger, etc. and ???/
> >>
> >> I'm looking forward to being educated.
> >>
> >> Dean VP
> >> Snohomish, WA 98290
> >> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
> ignorance, and
> >> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal
> sharing of misery."
> >> ..Winston Churchill...
> >>
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