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    Dean, I have an area that I need to smooth out, if it ever stops
    raining, here in Michigan, I'll show before and after pics of what
    the TSC harrow will do. Hopefully that will help with decision.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Mike M<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/9/2021 12:32 AM, Dean VP wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I think I’m going to crawl, walk, run into
          the solution to my problem.  I found a piece of truss plow
          beam that is about 40 to 45” long and it is really heavy. I
          think I’ll attach some chain connections on the bar and pull
          that behind the Garden Tractor when I mow and see what that
          does to the mole ands pocket gopher mounds. Since those are
          loose dirt it should scatter those pretty well. I knock them
          down with the mower deck a bit before I mow anyway.  The bar
          won’t move hard ground but the impression I’m getting the
          chain harrow won’t either.   Then I might try the hurricane
          fence and cinder blocks.   I think what I am being told is the
          chain harrow doesn’t really work well on hard ground.  Even
          though our ground will remain wet for at least two more
          months. The one attribute I do like about the chain harrow is
          it’s dethatching attributes.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
            the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
            virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On Behalf
                Of </b>Mike M<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 7, 2021 7:52 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hey Dean, I
          think people call different implements by different names
          around the country. I have always called this implement just a
          disc, no spinning blades. This implement would loosen the soil
          and then a drag would put a polish in it. I use extra railroad
          ties for weight, they are very heavy. It will still flex, but
          gives it more digging power. It will still bounce over the
          rocks. We live in a very rocky area, and the only time I've
          rocks pulled up is with an Ag sized tractors. I've had my drag
          for 10 years now, and I think you wouldn't be satisfied,
          depending on your soil type. Option #2 do you have any people
          around you that cut hay? I used to cut about 10 acres with a
          bush hog. Found a guy with a cattle operation, and he came in,
          worked it up, got rid  of the rocks and hayed it. Gave it to
          him for free, for doing the work, and I saved hours, and the
          hay went to good use.<br>
          <br>
          <a href="https://youtu.be/vsc6coGeB7s" moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/vsc6coGeB7s</a><br>
          <br>
          Mike M<br>
          <br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 5/7/2021 5:55 PM, Dean VP wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Mike,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Thx for the feedback. How and where do
            you place the weight on something that is so flexible.? 
            IMHO a disc harrow is out of the question due to how many
            rocks it would dig up. I may have an impossible objective. 
            Level and smooth the surface but don’t disturb the rocks. At
            least don’t bring the bigger ones to the surface. Rocks and
            spinning mower blades are not compatible. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
              the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
              virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <a
                  href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike M<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 7, 2021 12:47 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a
                  href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Dean,<br>
            I have a 6x8 version of the exact drag you posted. . I've
            used it to smooth my gravel driveway, I've used it to smooth
            our sand arena, and our paddock and round pen. There were
            times I had add weight, 200 to 300 lbs so it would deeper.
            For the paddock and round pen, I did not need the weight and
            I could pull it with my garden tractor, although it worked
            the crap out of it.For the sand arena I needed 4x4 because
            of depth of the sand. Depending on your soil type it may
            work, but their is no guarantee. IMHO a disc harrow would be
            better.<br>
            <br>
            Mike M<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 5/7/2021 6:32 AM, Dean VP wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">What do you guys think of this unit
              from Tractor Supply at $259 and then attaching a 4’ heavy
              plow beam section at the tail end to create more down
              pressure due to added tension and smooth things out a bit
              after the teeth do their job? I would then just drag this
              behind the Garden Tractor when I mowed.  I don’t think the
              drag rake by itself would do the job but adding the heavy
              plow beam at the tail end might help quite a bit.  A
              longer tow chain might reduce the tendency to lift the
              front of the drag harrow too.  Worst case one could add
              weight on top but I don’t see how that weight gets
              distributed very well with a chain drag. See URL Link
              below:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/yard-tuff-4-ft-x-4-ft-heavy-duty-drag-harrow"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/yard-tuff-4-ft-x-4-ft-heavy-duty-drag-harrow</a><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">This can be purchased elsewhere for
              $239 but then $70 to $80 freight is added.  At $259 at TSC
              is gets delivered to the store. That is only 7 ½ miles
              away for me. Haven’t found anything that beats that yet.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">PS, I was thinking of pulling my water
              filled barrel roller behind this to push the loosened rock
              back into the ground but that is too  heavy and cumbersome
              I think <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span>  And would not work
              very good going down hill.  <span
                style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of
                failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its
                inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <a
                    href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dean VP<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 6, 2021 1:51 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' <a
                    href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">One thing there is no shortage of here
              is tractors.  They range from Garden Tractors, to Compact
              Tractors to a 720 Diesel John Deere. I do have about a 12’
              section of pretty heavy channel iron that I use to level
              dirt but since it is ridged I don’t think it would work
              very good in the pasture, but I suppose if I went in
              enough directions it might get most of the mounds.  Maybe
              I could just drag it behind the Garden Tractor every time
              I mow.  I don’t see how it could make things worse.
                Hmmm, I’m starting to warm up to this idea.  Maybe I
              could attach some weights to it too.  Need to see if the
              messes up the mowing that the channel iron has been drug
              over before I get to mowing it.  Wonder if there is a way
              to offset it. Hmmmm,  this could get intelesting.  May not
              work if it drags the loose clippings too much. What if I
              just drug a heavy beam the width of the mower deck.  That
              would at least knock down the Mole and Pocket Gopher
              mounds a bit.  At least doing it the same time I mow would
              eliminate duplicate trips over the field. Intelesting.
               Could drag a drag a 4’ wide 8’ long section drag harrow
              behind while mowing too. Need to have something that
              weighs enough to not bounce around on top.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
              the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
              virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a
                  href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>ustonThomas Mehrkam<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 5, 2021 5:40 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a
                  href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>;
                Mark Johnson <<a
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                  moz-do-not-send="true">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>>;
                <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">You likely do not a big enough
              tractor.  This what we did when we moved a house across
              the hay meadow in winter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">We were left with deep ruts. The
                truck bogged down for two weeks. Finally got truck and
                house out in on the pad.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">We had huge massy Ferguson tractor
                and a 30 foot length of heavy railroad rail with a loop
                of heavy  chain welded to both ends. Hooked the tractor
                to the center of the chain and drug it over the ruts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It
                filled the ruts and leveled it flat as a board.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-family:Roboto;color:#6D00F6">On Wed,
                        May 5, 2021 at 6:59 AM, Mark Johnson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">That one looks very similar to
                    the one I spent many an hour dragging <br>
                    around the farm as a teenager - ours resembled two
                    of these (12' wide) <br>
                    ganged together. My dad believed it did an adequate
                    job...<br>
                    <br>
                    Mark J<br>
                    <br>
                    On 5/4/2021 11:39 PM, Dean VP wrote:<br>
                    > Here is one that looks interesting. Not sure if
                    it has adequate pin density<br>
                    ><br>
                    > <a
href="https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/loyal-drag-harrow-6-ft-x-8-ft"
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                    ><br>
                    ><br>
                    > Dean VP<br>
                    > Snohomish, WA 98290<br>
                    > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the
                    creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
                    virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<br>
                    > ..Winston Churchill...<br>
                    ><br>
                    > -----Original Message-----<br>
                    > From: AT <<a
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                    On Behalf Of Dean VP<br>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 9:18 PM<br>
                    > To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
                    <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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                    > Subject: Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Spencer,<br>
                    ><br>
                    > That is it. Drag or chain harrow is the name
                    that seems to work here too. Haven't found a single
                    used one for sale yet.  Tractor Supply and Northern
                    Tool  have some that might be worth looking at.  I
                    wonder if the rental yards have them.  That would be
                    a way to test to see how it works before purchasing.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Dean VP<br>
                    > Snohomish, WA 98290<br>
                    > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the
                    creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
                    virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<br>
                    > ..Winston Churchill...<br>
                    ><br>
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                    On Behalf Of Spencer Yost<br>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 4:05 PM<br>
                    > To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a
                      href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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                    > Subject: Re: [AT] Pasture drag, rake, ???<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Drag harrow is what I think they’re called
                    mainly around the country. I hear “chain harrow”
                    around here more frequently.  It’s probably your
                    only option if you’re trying your best not to
                    disturb more than an inch or two down and also not
                    kill half your grass.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > I can’t even think of anything else that would
                    do the job yet also leave stones unturned.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > I use it after disking to create a better seed
                    bed and also in my pasture to de-thatch and scarify
                    the surface after plugging but before fertilizing,
                    seeding and  spreading compost.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > PS:  this is the type of implement that people
                    often buy for a single reseeding project and then
                    resell.  I’ll bet some chain harrows have had dozens
                    of owners.  So  check Craigslist.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Spencer<br>
                    ><br>
                    > Sent from my iPhone<br>
                    ><br>
                    >> On May 4, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Dean VP <<a
                      href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
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                    wrote:<br>
                    >><br>
                    >> I have 6 acres that I mow with my Garden
                    tractor 3 of which is a<br>
                    >> pasture on a slope which at one time had
                    horses on it.  Now I try to<br>
                    >> keep the pasture looking nice by mowing it
                    with my Garden Tractor<br>
                    >> albeit at a slightly higher cut than the
                    rest of the regular lawn. The<br>
                    >> last couple of years the pasture has gotten
                    really rough from multiple<br>
                    >> sources including our not so friendly Moles
                    and pocket gophers. There<br>
                    >> are several old growth stumps buried in the
                    pasture which was well<br>
                    >> done except will the dirt fill occurs it
                    doesn't completely fill all<br>
                    >> around the stump down below. So over time
                    and our incessant rain some<br>
                    >> settling occurs and even some small occur. 
                    I try to fill the gaps<br>
                    >> with dirt as I find them but each year 2 or
                    3 more show up. So bottom<br>
                    >> line is the pasture has gotten rough and
                    beats the crap out of me when I mow it. I would like
                    to use a tool to try to smooth it out a bit and<br>
                    >> thatching the grass mat in places would not
                    be a bad thing.  But our soil<br>
                    >> is terrible and at best could described as
                    glacial till filled with various<br>
                    >> sized rocks.  So I really don't want to
                    disturb the rocks too much since I<br>
                    >> have to mow it later.  So I want to smooth
                    the soil out, not disturb it too<br>
                    >> much.  Known as a quandary.<br>
                    >><br>
                    >> I'm thinking about acquiring pasture rake
                    or drag with short teeth on<br>
                    >> it to work the top couple inches or so and 
                    try to smooth out the mole and gopher<br>
                    >> mounds which I have manually knocked down a
                    bit prior to mowing,  I have no<br>
                    >> experience with a pasture type rake.  I
                    have experience with a spiked<br>
                    >> toothed drag we used on the farm in NW
                    Iowa.  But that was used to<br>
                    >> smooth out  loose ground in preparation for
                    planting corn or soy<br>
                    >> beans. That isn't what I need. I think I
                    need maybe 4 4' square<br>
                    >> flexible sections that can flex with the
                    varying terrain and catch the<br>
                    >> low as well as high spots. I think I can
                    pull an 8' 8' unit with my 20<br>
                    >> to 22 HP Garden tractors. I'm more
                    concerned about traction but I can<br>
                    >> put chains on if necessary.  I'm thinking I
                    would want to take several<br>
                    >> passes at various different directions. 
                    And hopefully I could use this same implement to
                    dethatch the rest of the lawn.<br>
                    >><br>
                    >> Some of you surely have experience with
                    something like what I need.<br>
                    >> What do I need? What are it's critical
                    attributes?  Where do I buy it?<br>
                    >> I do live in Horse country so there are a
                    few stores that cater to<br>
                    >> horse owners and of course I have Tractor
                    Supply, Lowes, Home Dept,<br>
                    >> Grainger, etc. and ???/<br>
                    >><br>
                    >> I'm looking forward to being educated.<br>
                    >><br>
                    >> Dean VP<br>
                    >> Snohomish, WA 98290<br>
                    >> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the
                    creed of ignorance, and<br>
                    >> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
                    equal sharing of misery."<br>
                    >> ..Winston Churchill...<br>
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