[AT] Was OT-Windows 10, now Having your cake and eating it too
Spencer Yost
spencer at rdfarms.com
Fri Feb 19 10:14:41 PST 2021
I stopped using wine many years ago and for apps that require Windows I use a VM created in either VMWare or Virtualbox loaded with Windows. I started with VMWare when I dropped wine but a few years back switched to VirtualBox. Advantages to this approach
1-Migrating the machine to another laptop is trivial and is as simple as exporting and copying the VM as a file(a BIG one albeit).
2-Sharing files is easy between the host laptop and the VM with this approach.
3-Letting VMWare or VirtualBox handle the interface to the hardware in the native host OS simplifies all the driver craziness of dual boot.
Disadvantages
1-Do have to have a reasonably capable and reasonably current laptop/desktop with either windows, Mac OS X or Linux. Nothing excessive but your not going to run this on really old stuff.
2 - Extra memory helps.
I have one machine (Mac OSX) and many computers(two flavors of Linux, Windows, etc) by using VirtualBox. When you get a new laptop you just export the machines and import into the new laptop’s copy of VirtualBox/VMware. The OS, Software and data travel with it magically.
If you want extra credit use Vagrant to manage and deploy these VMs. What’s great about Vagrant is folks have put together LOTs of VMs and are packaged up and ready to go at Vagrant’s repo for both VMWare and VirtualBox(obviously VMs with unlicensed OS’s. No Windows 10 there). No need to start from scratch if you don’t want to. All free. Just installed a new Ubuntu VM in VirtualBox about a week ago. If it took more than 3 mins plus download time I’ll buy everyone a steak dinner. You sign in and start using it right away.
And yes, Mint is on the Vagrant repo:
https://app.vagrantup.com/boxes/search?q=linux+mint
Spencer
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> On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:43 AM, William Parris <william_parris at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Linux is good for some tasks such as surfing the internet, checking email, some software programs made for linux and some few
> Windows programs that can be run under Wine. TurboTax is not one of these. It will only install on Windows 10.
>
> William
>
> From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of cgs
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:39 AM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Windows 10
>
> Being some what a coward (and wanting value for cost) I use Linux which costs no $$$ and offers fewer heartaches.
>
>> On 2/19/21 10:17 AM, William Parris wrote:
>> Just tried to do an in-place upgrade from Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro 20H2 on my friend’s Dell Inspiron laptop.
>> After the upgrade, the laptop screen is black and cannot be made to work. The laptop works on an external monitor.
>>
>> I just tried to upgrade a Dell Optiplex workstation running Windows 10 2004 to Windows 10 20H2. This also failed. I’ve
>> never had a Windows 10 version upgrade fail and neither has my brother who has his own IT company.
>>
>> That is why before I do anything like this, I do an image of the system using Active@ Disk Image. That way, if I have a failure
>> for whatever reason, I can restore the system to what it was before. It’s better to be safe than sorry. Of course I could have
>> done a fresh installation of Windows 7 on the laptop and Windows 10 2004 on the desktop workstation, but all of the programs
>> and files would have been lost. If the system is not running, you can’t roll it back to the previous version of Windows.
>>
>> I always assume that if anything can go wrong, it has a good chance of doing it. It’s too late to close the barn door after the horse is out.
>>
>> William
>>
>> From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mogrits
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 9:21 PM
>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Windows 10
>>
>> No worries Mike, just "let it rip". If it offers you a chance to save a restore point back to whatever version you have now let it do that but as I recall the Windows 10 upgrade automatically saves that restore point. Once you have it installed and it boots up reliably, run that open shell file and I think you will be well pleased.
>>
>> Unrelated to the open shell interface, Windows 10 will want to download and install new drivers for whatever hardware you have. At this point you should have no worries since 10 has been around so long. But it could take Windows a week of intermittent updates to get all these done.
>>
>> Warren
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:39 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>> OK, so last night I downloaded windows 10, I have not installed it yet. Is there anything I should know or do before hitting the install button. I've already downloaded Open Shell, I'm just not sure what to expect, when I click the button.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike M
>>
>>> On 2/16/2021 9:27 PM, William Parris wrote:
>>> Classic Shell has been abandoned and is not being developed. It has been taken over by others and is now called Open Shell. This is based on the original Classic Shell.
>>> You definitely want to install Open Shell and tweak it to the Windows start menu style you like best. It is much easier than using the native Windows 10 start menu.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> From: AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mogrits
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 8:04 PM
>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Windows 10
>>>
>>> I second Dan Glass' comment. BEFORE installing Windows 10 download to the desktop the free add-on "Windows Classicshell" by searching those keywords. Get the latest version you can find. I say download before because I found it very difficult to navigate in Windows 10 to the point I had trouble even opening a browser window. I said download to the desktop so you can actually find it under Windows 10.
>>>
>>> After the Windows 10 is installed then run the classic shell install file you downloaded. Once it's installed you can set classic shell to run just like any version back to Windows XP. I think the simplest way is to open classic shell and select the "Start Menu" Tab. You can customize it a lot but it's not necessary to do so. Just set it back to the version you liked and it's business as usual.
>>>
>>> Warren
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:54 AM Dan Glass <danglass at usa.com> wrote:
>>> Download Classic Shell and it makes Windows 10 look and act like Windows 7. I have used it since Window 10 came out with no problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 2:39 AM
>>> From: "Mike M" <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] OT-Windows 10
>>> Has anyone here been able to download windows 10, and have it act like
>>> windows 7? I love my windows 7, but it its not compatible with the
>>> current tax preparation software Turbo-tax.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike M
>>>
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