[AT] OT Right to repair

[James Peck]

During the 2009 recessions, Mahindra made headlines by signing up dropped GM dealers to sell their pickup. This Indian article pinpoints the problem, poor design.

http://www.forbesindia.com/blog/business-strategy/why-mahindras-pick-up-truck-foray-in-the-us-failed/
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Why Mahindra's Pick Up Truck Foray in the US Failed | Forbes India Blog<http://www.forbesindia.com/blog/business-strategy/why-mahindras-pick-up-truck-foray-in-the-us-failed/>
Adding to the problems are M&Mâs issues with safety and fuel efficiency. âThe product was terrible. With a safety rating of 2 out of 5, you might as well forget about launching it in the US.
www.forbesindia.com

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The Mahindra rep doesn’t even say they intend to make the Roxor street legal.  The article indicates he says words to the effect he “hopes to eventually sell fully compliant road vehicles in the U.S. market”.  The article also paraphrases him “a small van, something other automakers don't offer in this market, might be the way to expand the brand here”.

That is a long way from detailing any design changes to make the Roxor compliant.

Jim Becker

From: James Peck
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:51 AM
To: Stephen Offiler ; Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
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This article does not detail any design change efforts.

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/03/11/mahindra-roxor-street-legal-status
[https://d32c3oe4bky4k6.cloudfront.net/articles-videos/-/media/uscamediasite/images/story-images/2019/03/11/roxor3.ashx?modified=20190311184013]<https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/03/11/mahindra-roxor-street-legal-status>
The Jeep-like Roxor is on a roll, and Mahindra aims to be street-legal<https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/03/11/mahindra-roxor-street-legal-status>
That the North American market is important to Mahindra's corporate direction can be seen from the fact that Pawan Goenka, the managing director of parent company Mahindra and Mahindra Limited, gave some insight into the firm's U.S. plans to the Detroit News.. Brand awareness is a key place to start.
www.hagerty.com


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Yeah, right.  Making a Roxor legal has zero to do with political support.  The laws that every other manufacturer has to follow are crystal-clear.  Emissions compliance and safety compliance.  Period.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 6:12 PM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
Mahindra has been making noises about setting up a manufacturing plant in Flint. I am a little suspicious that they are just trying to get political support for making the Roxor street lega.
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When I was looking at a small compact tractor, I had a choice between a Kubota 39 horse or a Mahindra 40 horse. I drove both and liked them both, Kubota makes a nice machine. When we sat down to talk numbers, the salesman, (same dealership franchise) said if I liked them both he would opt for the year older Mahindra with a Tier III engine vs the Kubota that had a Tier IV engine. Mind you this was at least 5 years ago, but he said that the Tier IV engines where coming in with problems his techs did not have the knowledge or equipment to fix. If they are not run hard, they go into regen  mode and you have to put them at full throttle and let it run that way for 30 minutes to clean the filter. Not sure if this is still the case, I suspect not, but at the time it made my choice easy. My Tier III is all mechanical, which means that if I can't fix it any diesel mechanic would have no problem with it, no electronics or computer for the engine.

Mike M

On 3/8/2020 10:53 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
That will get you about 16 years of AlldataDIY, which I highly recommend vs the printed manual.

https://www.alldatadiy.com/buy/

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 10:45 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
Service Manual for 2019 F150 shown as costing $186 plus tax and shipping.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/farmers-fight-john-deere-over-who-gets-to-fix-an-dollar800000-tractor/ar-BB10MABk?ocid=NL_ENUS_A2_20200308_6_4
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Farmers Fight John Deere Over Who Gets to Fix an $800,000 Tractor<https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/farmers-fight-john-deere-over-who-gets-to-fix-an-dollar800000-tractor/ar-BB10MABk?ocid=NL_ENUS_A2_20200308_6_4>
Anything a farmer does on a modern tractor, beginning with opening the cab door, generates messages captured by its main onboard computer, which uploads the signals to the cloud via a cellular ...
www.msn.com<http://www.msn.com>

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On 2019-11-21 6:10 a.m., bradloomis at charter.net wrote:

Not being a farmer but a maintenance mechanic who repairs all manner of items I’ve read with interest the comments on this list about “Right to repair” and the big manufacturers. Today’s NY Times has an editorial on just that as it relates to the military. Our tax dollars at work, against us. Not sure, you may need a subscription to read but jeez, what a mess. Send equipment back to the States from the battlefield because the Marines can’t repair their equipment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/opinion/military-right-to-repair.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_191121?campaign_id=2&instance_id=13923&segment_id=18966&user_id=57181594d83579e309e3a0907875e753&regi_id=26359631121

Brad


That is just one more reason I'm happy to be running older machinery and vehicles built before y2k.

Ralph in Sask.

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