[AT] Two variations of Standard diesel used in Fergusons

[James Peck]

If Hudson developed a balanced crankshaft in 1916 it would mean that the Fordson Model F did not have one. What was the first tractor model to have a blanced crankshaft?a

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Crankshaft - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankshaft>
A crankshaft is a rotating shaft which (in conjunction with the connecting rods) converts reciprocating motion of the pistons into rotational motion.Crankshafts are commonly used in internal combustion engines and consist of a series of cranks and crankpins to which the connecting rods are attached.. The crankshaft rotates within the engine block through use of main bearings, and the crankpins ...
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I remember a Hudson joke from the early 1950's... It "might" have been a Bob Hope joke.
"How are the Hudson River and the Hudson automobile alike?
For both of them you step down to get in..."
For you kids, The Hudson was advertised as "The car you step down to get in." since the floor was lower than the rocker panel area instead of flat across. I guess Hudson was first?


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On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:32 PM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com<mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>> wrote:
I was at an event today where a movie was shown about the Hudson brand of automobiles. One early Hudson developed engine actually got the compression ratio up to 5:1. I had not been aware of the number of automobile technical advances made by Hudson. Hudson's were still on the road in my youth.

The Continental Z120 engine used in the TO-20 had a compression ratio of only 6.1:1.

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Subject: Re: [AT] Two variations of Standard diesel used in Fergusons

At 6.5:1 compression ratio for the TO-30 with Z129 Continental and the TO-35 with Standard 23C at 20:1 compression ratio and slightly larger piston diameter you are right that the 23C engine can't be hand cranked by most people.

Sometime in the fifties the Massey Ferguson sheet metal no longer has crank holes in the front.
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Could the 23C be hand cranked?  I've never owned one, but I doubt that it
could be cranked over the first compression stroke!


> The gasoline Continental engines had a reputation for cracking. I never
> saw it.
>
> They could be hand cranked and my dad had a crank. It was kept hanging by
> putting the long end down next to the hydraulic lift lever.
>
> Could the 23C be hand cranked?
>
> https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ferg&th=80142
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> Thomas Martin <tmartin at xtra.co.nz<mailto:tmartin at xtra.co.nz>>
> Subject: [AT] Two variations of Standard diesel used in Fergusons
>
> -So Thomas, are the 20C and 23C the two variations of Standard diesel
> engines you mention?
>
> Standard Vanguard 80mm and 85mm 4-Cyl Petrol or Kero Engine
> Standard Vanguard 20C 4-Cylinder Diesel Engine ​
> Standard Vanguard 87mm 4-Cyl Petrol ​
> Standard Vanguard 23C 4-Cyl Diesel Engine
>
> I had been unaware that the 23C had been used in TO35s assembled in
> Detroit until this thread came along.
>
> My understanding is that Standard started out assembling TE20s using
> Continental Z120 engines and that Standard then used the Z120 as the
> starting point for their engine. What is your understanding?
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> Subject:
>
> This Australian source carries parts for 5 Standard engines including the
> 23C. In my opinion they do not sell rotary injection pumps, high pressure
> diesel fuel lines, and injectors because those are available though fuel
> injection dealers.
>
> https://waggatractorparts.com/ecommerce/category/791-standard-23c-engine?limitstart=20
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