[AT] adding glow plugs

James Peck jamesgpeck at hotmail.com
Sun Mar 1 20:28:29 PST 2020


This mentions that the first Standard 23C diesel dated to 1951 in a Ferguson TEA-20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_wet_liner_inline-four_engine
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/1961_Triumph_TR3A_-_Flickr_-_The_Car_Spy_%282%29.jpg/1200px-1961_Triumph_TR3A_-_Flickr_-_The_Car_Spy_%282%29.jpg]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_wet_liner_inline-four_engine>
Standard wet liner inline-four engine - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_wet_liner_inline-four_engine>
The Standard wet liner inline-four engine was a 2,088 cc inline four cylinder petrol engine produced by the Standard Motor Company.Originally developed for the Ferguson TE20 tractor, it was widely used for Standard passenger cars of the 1950s, most notably the Vanguard.Later it was successfully used in Standard's popular early generation Triumph TR series sports cars.
en.wikipedia.org

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John Maddock recently mentioned that his friend Guy had a Ferguson tractor with a Standard 23C diesel engine that had been retrofitted by Guy with glow plugs. We did not hear if the glow plugs were 14MM spark plug size.​
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In bending the high pressure fuel injection lines to fit around the added glow plugs, the lines developed leaks at the nuts that hold the tubes to the fittings that screw into the injectors. ​
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I recently acquired the publication "Dealer Shop Manual Massey-Ferguson Service Specifications for Standard Motors 23C Diesel Engine Used in TO-35 and FE-35"​
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Cover/Page 1 The Standard 23C engine was used in the Massey Ferguson TO-35 and FE-35 tractors. This publication originated in the MF era and does not cover the earlier Ferguson models that used the engine.​ After MF purchased Perkins, they quit using the Standard built diesels.
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Page 2 This mentions that the manufacture of the Standard 23C engines started in 1956. It does say that the breaking pressure of the injectors is 1900 psi. Also says that the Standard 23C shared engine numbers with the gasoline version.​
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Here is a link to an article about the standard gasoline engine.​
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This link shows the cross sectional view of a Ricardo Comet pre-combustion chamber.​
http://www.paxmanhistory.org.uk/paxeng34.htm​
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Page 5 mentions that the fuel pump is driven by the camshaft. This external link mentions that in a 4 stroke diesel engine, the camshaft will turn twice for one rotation of the injection pump. It also mentions that the injectors are Pintaux type for better starting.​
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http://carspector.com/dictionary/P/pintaux-nozzle/Pintaux nozzle A pintle-type diesel fuel injector nozzle with a hole in the side through which a very small amount of fuel is sprayed when the needle valve is partly opened at low pressure, before the main hole comes into use

Could it be that the hard starting Guy experienced was due to the replacement of the fuel injectors with conventional single port ones?
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This Huber was built in Marion. Huber was still in business when I worked there.


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Perhaps credit belongs closer to home?
March 23 1926, a Frank B Morrison of Marion, Ohio was granted Patent #1577483
for a starting plug for internal engines. Which he assigned to the Power Company Co
of Marion Oh.

Tom




> On 15 February 2020 at 05:01 James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> This link mentions the company SPICA which I believe was the one receiving
> government funding. I believe Delphi is the successor organization to SPICA.
>
> The diesel tractor of 1927 mentioned may well have been a Landini.
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> http://www.cefriel.it/en/gazette/archive/2006_02/passionForTractors.html
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> Until around 2011 the Landini web site talked about money being put into fuel
> injection research by the former National Socialist regime in Italy during the
> 1930s. They also did things like swamp draining to create more arable land.
>
> Brian VanDragt AT List Member (bvandragt at comcast.net) ; No, I think that was
> the farthest thing from their minds when they wrote it.
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> James AT List Member (jamesgpeck at hotmail.com); This links says glow plugs date
> to 1929. Are they hinting that they were developed with financial support from
> the Mussolini administration.
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> http://www.etecno1.it/info_text.php?info_id=1
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