[AT] Poison Ivy
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Sun Jun 14 19:33:12 PDT 2020
Cecil, I have used a product called Bifen IT for many years now. At 1 oz
per gallon it will knock the crap out out of mosquitoes and ticks. I buy
mine through a company called Do My Own Pest Control. Works like magic
and has a long residual. I used it for my daughters wedding reception,
that we held in the back yard, and not one person asked for mosquito spray.
Mike M
On 6/14/2020 8:55 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>
> The American council on Science & Health noted a study where humans
> were fed a capsule of as much as 35mg of DDT for 18 months had no ill
> effects. In fact they list its toxicity as about equal to caffeine.
> A funy thing about looking into research.... The type of rats used
> on the DDT study were predisposed to cancer both in the DDT group and
> the control group. This is the same type of rat used in the research
> on Glyphosate the active ingredient in Roundup. Due to the humidity
> and the heat wave in central OK, I wish we had some DDT to use on the
> mosquitoes. If you pull under a shade tree to work on equipment,
> the mosquitoes are mounting an aerial attack and the ticks are coming
> on foot.
>
> Like I said, you ain't supposed to bathe in it...
> Cecil
>
> On 6/14/2020 6:06 PM, Al Jones wrote:
>> I agree Cecil, it’s not politics, it’s science.
>>
>> Roundup is probably the safest herbicide there is and I’m not the
>> least bit scared of it, but I don’t put it in my coffee either!
>>
>> Al
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will not get into a political fight with anyone here, but I
>>> remember using DDT as a kid and my Dad and grandfather used it
>>> also. They lived long lives and finally died due to a Dr. screwup.
>>> DDT was determined to make eagle eggs have a thinner shell when the
>>> problem was either genetic or nutritional. It was a Judge who
>>> determined the fate of DDT. Roundup was determined to be possibly
>>> carcinogenic by a court, not a certified laboratory. I think both
>>> decisions were motivated by greed on the part of the chemical
>>> manufacturer, not comprehensive real laboratory tests. DDT had been
>>> around so long the patents had run out. Same with Roundup.
>>>
>>> That said, I use chemicals sparingly, but when I use them I use the
>>> maximum rate according to label directions. Then, immediately when
>>> I finish I throw the clothes in the washer and wash twice. I
>>> immediately take a shower with cold water first then hot., then I
>>> wash the equipment and afterwards wash my clothes and take a shower
>>> again.. My Dad & I sprayed 2-4D and 2-4-5T back in the late 60's
>>> early 70's with no cab on the tractor. We should have taken more
>>> precautions than we did, but we washed our hands a lot.....
>>>
>>> You just don't take a bath in it, and use a little common sense....
>>>
>>> Cecil
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2020 7:10 AM, toma at risingnet.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't use Roundup any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer.
>>>> 2-4 D is closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that
>>>> killed all the Vietnam vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was known as agent
>>>> yellow before all the carcenogenic effects were known. My
>>>> grandfather died of Hodgkin's Disease after using 2-4-5 T.
>>>>
>>>> From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it has been extensively
>>>> tested in rats and found to have no carcenogenic properties. I may
>>>> consider trying it because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I
>>>> would still be very careful with it.
>>>>
>>>> Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative to 2-4 D because it can
>>>> be mixed to effect broadleafs only. I fear there is no safer
>>>> alternative to Roundup for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get
>>>> out your cultivators boys.
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from myMail for Android
>>>> Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms at gmx.com:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent finding that
>>>> it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful
>>>> with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me from the
>>>> farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but that's
>>>> sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment, not a
>>>> backpack sprayer.
>>>> > Mike M
>>>> >On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with
>>>> less of
>>>> a chemical footprint. I know zip about that chemical foot print
>>>> of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to decide
>>>> if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or not. I also
>>>> leave everyone with the reminder that not all chemical footprints
>>>> are well known, regardless of the labeling and short term general
>>>> consensus.
>>>>
>>>> >>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison ivy.
>>>> The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it. When that
>>>> vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works great.
>>>> >>I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that try to
>>>> tear up the edges and cracks of our private asphalt road.
>>>> So the
>>>> cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy control is of no
>>>> financial/chemical footprint concern to me.
>>>> >>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much have
>>>> to roll around in it for me to even get a few blisters. But my
>>>> poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it in early
>>>> spring.
>>>> I assume she’s getting into the roots of the poison ivy while
>>>> she’s planting annuals and working beds before the low bushy
>>>> stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.
>>>> >>Spencer
>>>> >>Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen
>>>> Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max
>>>> Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to the
>>>> gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00 per gallon. I'm
>>>> sure it's a better value in larger quantities. I don't
>>>> think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 a gallon.
>>>>
>>>> >>>SO
>>>> >>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020
>>>> at 11:34 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's
>>>> pricey for the area I need to cover. I'm going to
>>>> try the vinegar solution first because its cheap
>>>> and so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if I
>>>> had a
>>>> small area to clear, but I don't. I'll report back
>>>> the results. Thanks all for the info.
>>>> >>>> Mike M
>>>> >>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>> >>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)
>>>> >>>>>On Fri, Jun
>>>> 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>I have
>>>> scads of poison ivy around my place, anyone
>>>> have a secret recipe
>>>> >>>>>> to nuke this stuff? I'm not overly
>>>> susceptible
>>>> to it, but my daughter
>>>> >>>>>> is. Also I've read that your
>>>> reaction to it
>>>> can change over time.
>>>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>>>> >>>>>> Mike M
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