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Cecil, I have used a product called Bifen IT for many years now. At
1 oz per gallon it will knock the crap out out of mosquitoes and
ticks. I buy mine through a company called Do My Own Pest Control.
Works like magic and has a long residual. I used it for my
daughters wedding reception, that we held in the back yard, and not
one person asked for mosquito spray.<br>
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Mike M <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/14/2020 8:55 PM, Cecil Bearden
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<p>The American council on Science & Health noted a study
where humans were fed a capsule of as much as 35mg of DDT for 18
months had no ill effects. In fact they list its toxicity as
about equal to caffeine. A funy thing about looking into
research.... The type of rats used on the DDT study were
predisposed to cancer both in the DDT group and the control
group. This is the same type of rat used in the research on
Glyphosate the active ingredient in Roundup. Due to the
humidity and the heat wave in central OK, I wish we had some DDT
to use on the mosquitoes. If you pull under a shade tree to
work on equipment, the mosquitoes are mounting an aerial attack
and the ticks are coming on foot.</p>
<p>Like I said, you ain't supposed to bathe in it...<br>
Cecil<br>
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I agree Cecil, it’s not politics, it’s science.
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<div>Roundup is probably the safest herbicide there is and I’m
not the least bit scared of it, but I don’t put it in my
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<p>I will not get into a political fight with anyone here,
but I remember using DDT as a kid and my Dad and
grandfather used it also. They lived long lives and
finally died due to a Dr. screwup. DDT was determined
to make eagle eggs have a thinner shell when the problem
was either genetic or nutritional. It was a Judge who
determined the fate of DDT. Roundup was determined to
be possibly carcinogenic by a court, not a certified
laboratory. I think both decisions were motivated by
greed on the part of the chemical manufacturer, not
comprehensive real laboratory tests. DDT had been
around so long the patents had run out. Same with
Roundup. <br>
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<p>That said, I use chemicals sparingly, but when I use
them I use the maximum rate according to label
directions. Then, immediately when I finish I throw the
clothes in the washer and wash twice. I immediately
take a shower with cold water first then hot., then I
wash the equipment and afterwards wash my clothes and
take a shower again.. My Dad & I sprayed 2-4D and
2-4-5T back in the late 60's early 70's with no cab on
the tractor. We should have taken more precautions than
we did, but we washed our hands a lot.....<br>
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You just don't take a bath in it, and use a little
common sense....<br>
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<p>Cecil<br>
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<p style="margin-top: 0px;" dir="ltr">I don't use
Roundup any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer.
2-4 D is closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent
orange that killed all the Vietnam vets. As I recall
2- 4 D was known as agent yellow before all the
carcenogenic effects were known. My grandfather died
of Hodgkin's Disease after using 2-4-5 T.</p>
<p dir="ltr">From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it
has been extensively tested in rats and found to have
no carcenogenic properties. I may consider trying it
because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I would
still be very careful with it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative
to 2-4 D because it can be mixed to effect broadleafs
only. I fear there is no safer alternative to Roundup
for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get out your
cultivators boys.<br>
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> <br>
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<br>
I used to use Round Up on everything, since the
recent finding that<br>
it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am
more careful<br>
with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't
protect me from the<br>
farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres
with it, but that's<br>
sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized
equipment, not a<br>
backpack sprayer.<br>
> Mike M<br>
>On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost<br>
wrote:<br>
>> <br>
I doubt it’s about the money - more about an
approach with less of<br>
a chemical footprint. I know zip about that
chemical foot print<br>
of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to
others to decide<br>
if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or
not. I also<br>
leave everyone with the reminder that not all
chemical footprints<br>
are well known, regardless of the labeling and
short term general<br>
consensus.<br>
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>>Personally I just use roundup on the low,
bushy poison ivy. <br>
The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of
it. When that<br>
vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works
great.<br>
>>I have to have round-up for the grasses and
weeds that try to<br>
tear up the edges and cracks of our private
asphalt road. So the<br>
cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy
control is of no<br>
financial/chemical footprint concern to me.<br>
>>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I
pretty much have<br>
to roll around in it for me to even get a few
blisters. But my<br>
poor wife really suffers. She generally gets
it in early spring.<br>
I assume she’s getting into the roots of the
poison ivy while<br>
she’s planting annuals and working beds before
the low bushy<br>
stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.<br>
>>Spencer<br>
>>Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen<br>
Offiler <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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>>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max<br>
Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix
4 oz to the<br>
gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00
per gallon. I'm<br>
sure it's a better value in
larger quantities. I don't<br>
think I can find vinegar as cheap as
$2 a gallon.<br>
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>>>SO<br>
>>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020<br>
at 11:34 PM Mike M <a
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>>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well
but it's<br>
pricey for the area I need to
cover. I'm going to<br>
try the vinegar solution first
because its cheap<br>
and so am I. Brush be gone would
be fine if I had a<br>
small area to clear, but I don't.
I'll report back<br>
the results. Thanks all for the
info. <br>
>>>> Mike M<br>
>>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler
wrote:<br>
>>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)<br>
>>>>>On Fri, Jun<br>
12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <a
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>>>>>>I have<br>
scads of poison ivy around
my place, anyone<br>
have a secret recipe<br>
>>>>>> to
nuke this stuff? I'm not overly susceptible<br>
to it, but my daughter<br>
>>>>>> is.
Also I've read that your reaction to it<br>
can change over time.<br>
>>>>>>
Thanks,<br>
>>>>>> Mike
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