[AT] Poison Ivy

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I don't use Roundup any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer. 2-4 D is closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that killed all the Vietnam vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was known as agent yellow before all the carcenogenic effects were known. My grandfather died of Hodgkin's Disease after using 2-4-5 T.
From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it has been extensively tested in rats and found to have no carcenogenic properties. I may consider trying it because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I would still be very careful with it.
Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative to 2-4 D because it can be mixed to effect broadleafs only. I fear there is no safer alternative to Roundup for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get out your cultivators boys.
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Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms at gmx.com:
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    I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent finding that
    it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful
    with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me from the
    farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but that's
    sprayed  from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment, not a
    backpack sprayer.
>    Mike M
>On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost
      wrote:
>>      
      I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with less of
      a chemical footprint.  I know zip about that chemical foot print
      of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to decide
      if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or not.  I also
      leave everyone with the reminder that not all chemical footprints
      are well known, regardless of the labeling and short term general
      consensus.
      
>>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison ivy.  
        The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it.   When that
        vine re-emerges I hit it with round up.  Works great.
>>I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that try to
        tear up the edges and cracks of our private asphalt road. So the
        cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy control is of no
        financial/chemical footprint concern to me.
>>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much have
        to roll around in it for me to even get a few blisters. But my
        poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it in early spring.
        I assume she’s getting into the roots of the poison ivy while
        she’s planting annuals and working beds before the low bushy
        stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.
>>Spencer
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen
            Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max
                Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to the
                gallon.  A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00 per gallon.  I'm
                sure it's a better value in larger quantities.  I don't
                think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 a gallon.
                
>>>SO
>>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020
                  at 11:34 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
                  wrote:
>>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's
                    pricey for the area I need to cover. I'm going to
                    try the vinegar solution first because its cheap
                    and  so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if I had a
                    small area to clear, but I don't. I'll report back
                    the results. Thanks all for the info. 
>>>>                    Mike M
>>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)
>>>>>On Fri, Jun
                          12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
                          wrote:
>>>>>>I have
                          scads of poison ivy around my place, anyone
                          have a secret recipe
>>>>>>                          to nuke this stuff? I'm not overly susceptible
                          to it, but my daughter
>>>>>>                          is. Also I've read that your reaction to it
                          can change over time.
>>>>>>                          Thanks,
>>>>>>                          Mike M
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