<HTML><BODY><p style="margin-top: 0px;" dir="ltr">I don't use Roundup any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer. 2-4 D is closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that killed all the Vietnam vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was known as agent yellow before all the carcenogenic effects were known. My grandfather died of Hodgkin's Disease after using 2-4-5 T.</p>
<p dir="ltr">From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it has been extensively tested in rats and found to have no carcenogenic properties. I may consider trying it because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I would still be very careful with it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative to 2-4 D because it can be mixed to effect broadleafs only. I fear there is no safer alternative to Roundup for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get out your cultivators boys.<br> --<br> Sent from myMail for Android<br> Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms@gmx.com:<br> > <br> <br> <br> <br> I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent finding that<br> it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful<br> with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me from the<br> farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but that's<br> sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment, not a<br> backpack sprayer.<br> > Mike M<br> >On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost<br> wrote:<br> >> <br> I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with less of<br> a chemical footprint. I know zip about that chemical foot print<br> of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to decide<br> if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or not. I also<br> leave everyone with the reminder that not all chemical footprints<br> are well known, regardless of the labeling and short term general<br> consensus.<br> <br> >>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison ivy. <br> The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it. When that<br> vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works great.<br> >>I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that try to<br> tear up the edges and cracks of our private asphalt road. So the<br> cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy control is of no<br> financial/chemical footprint concern to me.<br> >>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much have<br> to roll around in it for me to even get a few blisters. But my<br> poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it in early spring.<br> I assume she’s getting into the roots of the poison ivy while<br> she’s planting annuals and working beds before the low bushy<br> stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.<br> >>Spencer<br> >>Sent from my iPhone<br> >>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen<br> Offiler <soffiler@gmail.com> wrote:<br> >>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max<br> Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to the<br> gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00 per gallon. I'm<br> sure it's a better value in larger quantities. I don't<br> think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 a gallon.<br> <br> >>>SO<br> >>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020<br> at 11:34 PM Mike M <meulenms@gmx.com><br> wrote:<br> >>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's<br> pricey for the area I need to cover. I'm going to<br> try the vinegar solution first because its cheap<br> and so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if I had a<br> small area to clear, but I don't. I'll report back<br> the results. Thanks all for the info. <br> >>>> Mike M<br> >>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:<br> >>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)<br> >>>>>On Fri, Jun<br> 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <meulenms@gmx.com><br> wrote:<br> >>>>>>I have<br> scads of poison ivy around my place, anyone<br> have a secret recipe<br> >>>>>> to nuke this stuff? I'm not overly susceptible<br> to it, but my daughter<br> >>>>>> is. Also I've read that your reaction to it<br> can change over time.<br> >>>>>> Thanks,<br> >>>>>> Mike M<br> >>>>>> --<br> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by<br> Avast antivirus software.<br> >>>>>>https://www.avast.com/antivirus<br> >>>>>>_______________________________________________<br> >>>>>> AT mailing list<br> >>>>>>AT@lists.antique-tractor.com<br> >>>>>>http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com<br> >>>>>_______________________________________________<br> AT mailing list<br> >>>>>AT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com<br> >>>>Virus-free.<br> www.avast.com <br> >>>> _______________________________________________<br> >>>> AT mailing list<br> >>>>AT@lists.antique-tractor.com<br> >>>>http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com<br> >>>_______________________________________________<br> >>>AT mailing list<br> >>>AT@lists.antique-tractor.com<br> >>>http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com<br> >>_______________________________________________<br> AT mailing list<br> >>AT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com<br> >_______________________________________________<br> >AT mailing list<br> >AT@lists.antique-tractor.com<br> >http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</p></BODY></HTML>