[AT] Poison Ivy

[Mark Johnson]

I'm not sure that 2,4-D is any less risky than glyphosate; the older 
chemical is certainly more toxic as far as its immediate effects. There 
have been allegations of carcinogenicity for 2,4-D in the past.

Care and caution with any herbicide is always a good idea. It's worth 
noting that pretty much any chlorinated hydrocarbon (which includes 
almost every herbicide I can think of) has its own set of toxic and 
carcinogenic risks.

  Mark J

On 6/14/2020 12:30 AM, Mike M wrote:
> I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent finding that it 
> _may_ be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful with it, 
> and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me from the farmer 
> across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but that's sprayed  
> from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment, not a backpack sprayer.
>
> Mike M
>
>
> On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>> I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with less of a 
>> chemical footprint.  I know zip about that chemical foot print of the 
>> compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to decide if that 
>> chemical footprint is worth a concern or not.  I also leave everyone 
>> with the reminder that not all chemical footprints are well known, 
>> regardless of the labeling and short term general consensus.
>>
>> Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison ivy.   The 
>> climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it.   When that vine 
>> re-emerges I hit it with round up.  Works great.
>>
>> I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that try to tear up 
>> the edges and cracks of our private asphalt road. So the cost of a 
>> little extra round-up for poison ivy control is of no 
>> financial/chemical footprint concern to me.
>>
>> I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much have to roll 
>> around in it for me to even get a few blisters. But my poor wife 
>> really suffers. She generally gets it in early spring. I assume she’s 
>> getting into the roots of the poison ivy while she’s planting annuals 
>> and working beds before the low bushy stuff emerges and can been 
>> seen/identified.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max Poison Ivy is 8% 
>>> Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to the gallon.  A 16oz jug is $8.00, so 
>>> $2.00 per gallon. I'm sure it's a better value in 
>>> larger quantities.  I don't think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 
>>> a gallon.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:34 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com 
>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's pricey for the area
>>>     I need to cover. I'm going to try the vinegar solution first
>>>     because its cheap and  so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if I
>>>     had a small area to clear, but I don't. I'll report back the
>>>     results. Thanks all for the info.
>>>
>>>     Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>     Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)
>>>>
>>>>     On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>>>>     <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I have scads of poison ivy around my place, anyone have a
>>>>         secret recipe
>>>>         to nuke this stuff? I'm not overly susceptible to it, but
>>>>         my daughter
>>>>         is. Also I've read that your reaction to it can change over
>>>>         time.
>>>>
>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>         Mike M
>>>>
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