[AT] Cub - Update
John Hall
jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sat Jul 11 15:27:51 PDT 2020
I agree, emergency road trips only for me!!!! Heck I won't drive to the
other side of the street just to save a nickel on gas!!!!
John Hall
On 7/11/2020 5:53 PM, Mike M wrote:
> I've never understood why people drive for hours to to pick up parts
> that can be shipped, unless needed immediately. What a waste of time
> an fuel.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 7/11/2020 7:44 AM, John Hall wrote:
>> I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year. For
>> giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10 dealers "near
>> me". I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon SC--thats one of the
>> locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic thats 2+ hours one way.
>> Clapp is not even on teh list, thats over an hour away. Needless to
>> say UPS is how I get parts.
>>
>> Deere is 15 minutes away.....
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 7/11/2020 12:20 AM, Al Jones wrote:
>>> John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear that the
>>> whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality and East Coast
>>> merger, has been a good thing. Parts support is wonderful and even
>>> though we are super-small timers they have delivered parts to the
>>> house for us. They built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20
>>> minutes away from the farm. It looks like on the other hand CNH has
>>> anointed B&S to be the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is Wilson
>>> and I hear if you want anything for a Super A-140 you better have a
>>> part number. I don't think CNH really cares much about having a
>>> presence in NC. Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but can still
>>> get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton Truck & Tractor. I will
>>> give them what little business I do for as long as they're around.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44 PM John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>> <mailto:jtchall at nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast usually.
>>>
>>> IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and
>>> right, I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I went
>>> searching for dealers, CaseIH website only had a few in the
>>> entire state.
>>>
>>> Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:
>>>> There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality Equipment and
>>>> James River Equipment. I couldn't tell you how many stores
>>>> Quality has, but it's a lot. James River is in VA but they have
>>>> a few stores in the piedmont of NC. I think there is one
>>>> privately/family owned JD dealer in the state, Gay Implement in
>>>> Seaboard, NC.
>>>>
>>>> caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared to JD it's
>>>> like they're not even trying. We now have two Dealers in
>>>> NC--one privately/family owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and
>>>> then another dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as many as
>>>> JD. CNH made two of the best dealers in NC give up their
>>>> contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills in Kinston--the
>>>> dealer I frequented) because they weren't "Big" enough. In
>>>> Mills' case I expect many of their loyal customers to go green.
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson
>>>> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
>>>> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do with antique
>>>> tractors at all, but rather with their service and
>>>> maintenance policy for today's highly software-driven ag
>>>> machinery. They have effectively put a 'No User-Serviceable
>>>> Parts Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on
>>>> their tractors, and with the destruction of the network of
>>>> small local (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple
>>>> failure can be a multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs.
>>>> I'm not sure if it is true for the whole country, but this
>>>> policy has been upheld by courts in California.
>>>>
>>>> One of my sources works for one of those now-former JD
>>>> dealers. Deere offered to buy back their inventory, with a
>>>> one-time deal, and told them that they didn't *have* to
>>>> sell everything back (tractors, implements, and parts) but
>>>> that they would get no factory support for anything they
>>>> sold after the cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is
>>>> that Deere & Co. wants to have regional dealers with at
>>>> least 6 outlets, and that more than that is even better. At
>>>> the same time they got bought out, the big regional dealer
>>>> in Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with Nobbe...the
>>>> combined dealership has locations in 26 towns in Missouri
>>>> and Illinois. It's virtually impossible to avoid them in
>>>> central to north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That
>>>> said, I've never tried to deal with them myself...]
>>>>
>>>> Mark J
>>>> Columbia, MO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the problems were related to the x60 series of
>>>>> tractors in the late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the
>>>>> lead in # of tractors produced but that was just one of
>>>>> many mistakes that I/H made and they were in such a
>>>>> weakened position by the time the 80’s farm crisis arrived
>>>>> they could not ride it out…., alone. It is a whole series
>>>>> of mistakes. There is a book written by a woman that
>>>>> exposes these mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh
>>>>> titled: A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of International
>>>>> Harvester Company. Worth reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be unwise to think that JD only overtook
>>>>> I/H in total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made some
>>>>> mistakes. JD made a few mistakes along the way as well.
>>>>> But they made some really good decisions too. The JD New
>>>>> Generation tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were one
>>>>> of many good decisions JD made to become the power house
>>>>> they are today. I have no experience on comparing how good
>>>>> a JD Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor is today so I make no
>>>>> judgments on that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dean VP
>>>>>
>>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
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>>>>> Of *Howard Pletcher
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:13 PM
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>>>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Cub - Update
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like you think the downfall stemmed from the
>>>>> tractor problems. Tractors were about 40% of the company
>>>>> and couldn’t have saved the company even if there were no
>>>>> problems. The real mismanagement was in the financial
>>>>> area going back as far as the 20s & 30s.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt
>>>>> <bvandragt at comcast.net <mailto:bvandragt at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> IH has had plenty of time to catch up, but they just
>>>>> can't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Howard
>>>>>
>>>>>
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