[AT] Cub - Update

John Hall jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sat Jul 11 15:27:51 PDT 2020


I agree, emergency road trips only for me!!!! Heck I won't drive to the 
other side of the street just to save a nickel on gas!!!!

John Hall


On 7/11/2020 5:53 PM, Mike M wrote:
> I've never understood why people drive for hours to to pick up parts 
> that can be shipped, unless needed immediately. What a waste of time 
> an fuel.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 7/11/2020 7:44 AM, John Hall wrote:
>> I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year. For 
>> giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10 dealers "near 
>> me".  I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon SC--thats one of the 
>> locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic thats 2+ hours one way.  
>> Clapp is not even on teh list, thats over an hour away. Needless to 
>> say UPS is how I get parts.
>>
>> Deere is 15 minutes away.....
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 7/11/2020 12:20 AM, Al Jones wrote:
>>> John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear that the 
>>> whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality and East Coast 
>>> merger, has been a good thing.  Parts support is wonderful and even 
>>> though we are super-small timers they have delivered parts to the 
>>> house for us. They built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20 
>>> minutes away from the farm.  It looks like on the other hand CNH has 
>>> anointed B&S to be the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is Wilson 
>>> and I hear if you want anything for a Super A-140 you better have a 
>>> part number. I don't think CNH really cares much about having a 
>>> presence in NC.    Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but can still 
>>> get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton Truck & Tractor. I will 
>>> give them what little business I do for as long as they're around.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44 PM John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com 
>>> <mailto:jtchall at nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast usually.
>>>
>>>     IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and
>>>     right,  I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I went
>>>     searching for dealers, CaseIH website only had a few in the
>>>     entire state.
>>>
>>>     Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.
>>>
>>>     John Hall
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:
>>>>     There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality Equipment and
>>>>     James River Equipment. I couldn't tell you how many stores
>>>>     Quality has, but it's a lot. James River is in VA but they have
>>>>     a few stores in the piedmont of NC.  I think there is one
>>>>     privately/family owned JD dealer in the state, Gay Implement in
>>>>     Seaboard, NC.
>>>>
>>>>     caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared to JD it's
>>>>     like they're not even trying. We now have two Dealers in
>>>>     NC--one privately/family owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and
>>>>     then another dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as many as
>>>>     JD.  CNH made two of the best dealers in NC give up their
>>>>     contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills in Kinston--the
>>>>     dealer I frequented) because they weren't "Big" enough.  In
>>>>     Mills' case I expect many of their loyal customers to go green.
>>>>
>>>>     Al
>>>>
>>>>     On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson
>>>>     <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
>>>>     <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do with antique
>>>>         tractors at all, but rather with their service and
>>>>         maintenance policy for today's highly software-driven ag
>>>>         machinery. They have effectively put a 'No User-Serviceable
>>>>         Parts Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on
>>>>         their tractors, and with the destruction of the network of
>>>>         small local (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple
>>>>         failure can be a multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs.
>>>>         I'm not sure if it is true for the whole country, but this
>>>>         policy has been upheld by courts in California.
>>>>
>>>>         One of my sources works for one of those now-former JD
>>>>         dealers. Deere offered to buy back their inventory, with a
>>>>         one-time deal, and told them that they didn't *have* to
>>>>         sell everything back (tractors, implements, and parts) but
>>>>         that they would get no factory support for anything they
>>>>         sold after the cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is
>>>>         that Deere & Co. wants to have regional dealers with at
>>>>         least 6 outlets, and that more than that is even better. At
>>>>         the same time they got bought out, the big regional dealer
>>>>         in Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with Nobbe...the
>>>>         combined dealership has locations in 26 towns in Missouri
>>>>         and Illinois. It's virtually impossible to avoid them in
>>>>         central to north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That
>>>>         said, I've never tried to deal with them myself...]
>>>>
>>>>         Mark J
>>>>         Columbia, MO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net>
>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Part of the problems were related to the x60 series of
>>>>>         tractors in the late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the
>>>>>         lead in # of tractors produced but that was just one of
>>>>>         many mistakes that I/H made and they were in such a
>>>>>         weakened position by the time the 80’s farm crisis arrived
>>>>>         they could not ride it out…., alone. It is a whole series
>>>>>         of mistakes.    There is a book written by a woman that
>>>>>         exposes these mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh
>>>>>         titled: A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of International
>>>>>         Harvester Company.  Worth reading.
>>>>>
>>>>>         I think it would be unwise to think that JD only overtook
>>>>>         I/H in total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made some
>>>>>         mistakes.  JD made a few mistakes along the way as well.
>>>>>         But they made some really good decisions too. The JD New
>>>>>         Generation tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were one
>>>>>         of many good decisions JD made to become the power house
>>>>>         they are today. I have no experience on comparing how good
>>>>>         a JD Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor is today so I make no
>>>>>         judgments on that.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Dean VP
>>>>>
>>>>>         Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>>
>>>>>         *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>         <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf
>>>>>         Of *Howard Pletcher
>>>>>         *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:13 PM
>>>>>         *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>>>>         <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>         <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>         *Subject:* Re: [AT] Cub - Update
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>>>>>         Sounds like you think the downfall stemmed from the
>>>>>         tractor problems. Tractors were about 40% of the company
>>>>>         and couldn’t have saved the company even if there were no
>>>>>         problems.  The real mismanagement was in the financial
>>>>>         area going back as far as the 20s & 30s.
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt
>>>>>         <bvandragt at comcast.net <mailto:bvandragt at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             IH has had plenty of time to catch up, but they just
>>>>>             can't.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>         -- 
>>>>>
>>>>>         Howard
>>>>>
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