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I agree, emergency road trips only for me!!!! Heck I won't drive to
the other side of the street just to save a nickel on gas!!!!<br>
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John Hall<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/2020 5:53 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
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I've never understood why people drive for hours to to pick up
parts that can be shipped, unless needed immediately. What a waste
of time an fuel.<br>
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Mike M<br>
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I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year.
For giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10
dealers "near me". I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon
SC--thats one of the locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic
thats 2+ hours one way. Clapp is not even on teh list, thats
over an hour away. Needless to say UPS is how I get parts.<br>
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Deere is 15 minutes away.....<br>
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John<br>
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<div>John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear
that the whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality
and East Coast merger, has been a good thing. Parts
support is wonderful and even though we are super-small
timers they have delivered parts to the house for us.
They built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20
minutes away from the farm. It looks like on the other
hand CNH has anointed B&S to be the caseIH dealer in
NC, closest store is Wilson and I hear if you want
anything for a Super A-140 you better have a part number.
I don't think CNH really cares much about having a
presence in NC. Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but
can still get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton
Truck & Tractor. I will give them what little business
I do for as long as they're around.</div>
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<div>Al</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at
4:44 PM John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com"
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<div> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really
fast usually.<br>
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IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left
and right, I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last
time I went searching for dealers, CaseIH website only
had a few in the entire state.<br>
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Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to
them.<br>
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John Hall<br>
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<div>There are basically two JD dealers in
NC--Quality Equipment and James River Equipment.
I couldn't tell you how many stores Quality has,
but it's a lot. James River is in VA but they have
a few stores in the piedmont of NC. I think there
is one privately/family owned JD dealer in the
state, Gay Implement in Seaboard, NC.<br>
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<div>caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but
compared to JD it's like they're not even trying.
We now have two Dealers in NC--one
privately/family owned (Clinton Truck &
Tractor) and then another dealer with multiple
stores but nowhere as many as JD. CNH made two of
the best dealers in NC give up their
contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills in
Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they
weren't "Big" enough. In Mills' case I expect
many of their loyal customers to go green.</div>
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2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson <<a
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<p>Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to
do with antique tractors at all, but rather
with their service and maintenance policy for
today's highly software-driven ag machinery.
They have effectively put a 'No
User-Serviceable Parts Inside. Warranty void
if seal is broken' sign on their tractors, and
with the destruction of the network of small
local (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a
simple failure can be a multi-day adventure in
high-tech repairs. I'm not sure if it is true
for the whole country, but this policy has
been upheld by courts in California.</p>
<p>One of my sources works for one of those
now-former JD dealers. Deere offered to buy
back their inventory, with a one-time deal,
and told them that they didn't *have* to sell
everything back (tractors, implements, and
parts) but that they would get no factory
support for anything they sold after the
cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is that
Deere & Co. wants to have regional dealers
with at least 6 outlets, and that more than
that is even better. At the same time they got
bought out, the big regional dealer in
Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with
Nobbe...the combined dealership has locations
in 26 towns in Missouri and Illinois. It's
virtually impossible to avoid them in central
to north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That
said, I've never tried to deal with them
myself...]<br>
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Mark J<br>
Columbia, MO
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<p class="MsoNormal">Part of the problems
were related to the x60 series of tractors
in the late 50’ which allowed JD to
capture the lead in # of tractors produced
but that was just one of many mistakes
that I/H made and they were in such a
weakened position by the time the 80’s
farm crisis arrived they could not ride it
out…., alone. It is a whole series of
mistakes. There is a book written by a
woman that exposes these mistakes by the
name of Barbara Marsh titled: A Corporate
Tragedy: The Agony of International
Harvester Company. Worth reading.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it would be
unwise to think that JD only overtook I/H
in total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H
made some mistakes. JD made a few
mistakes along the way as well. But they
made some really good decisions too. The
JD New Generation tractors announced in
the fall of 1960 were one of many good
decisions JD made to become the power
house they are today. I have no experience
on comparing how good a JD Tractor vs a
Case I/H tractor is today so I make no
judgments on that. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like you
think the downfall stemmed from the
tractor problems. Tractors were about
40% of the company and couldn’t have
saved the company even if there were
no problems. The real mismanagement
was in the financial area going back
as far as the 20s & 30s. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 8,
2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt <<a
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had plenty of time to catch up, but
they just can't.<br>
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