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    I agree, emergency road trips only for me!!!! Heck I won't drive to
    the other side of the street just to save a nickel on gas!!!!<br>
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    John Hall<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/2020 5:53 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
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      I've never understood why people drive for hours to to pick up
      parts that can be shipped, unless needed immediately. What a waste
      of time an fuel.<br>
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        I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year.
        For giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10
        dealers "near me".  I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon
        SC--thats one of the locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic
        thats 2+ hours one way.  Clapp is not even on teh list, thats
        over an hour away. Needless to say UPS is how I get parts.<br>
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        Deere is 15 minutes away.....<br>
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        John<br>
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            <div>John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear
              that the whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality
              and East Coast merger, has been a good thing.  Parts
              support is wonderful and even though we are super-small
              timers they have delivered parts to the house for us. 
              They built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20
              minutes away from the farm.  It looks like on the other
              hand CNH has anointed B&S to be the caseIH dealer in
              NC, closest store is Wilson and I hear if you want
              anything for a Super A-140 you better have a part number. 
              I don't think CNH really cares much about having a
              presence in NC.    Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but
              can still get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton
              Truck & Tractor. I will give them what little business
              I do for as long as they're around.</div>
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            <div>Al</div>
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            <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at
              4:44 PM John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com"
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              <div> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really
                fast usually.<br>
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                IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left
                and right,  I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last
                time I went searching for dealers, CaseIH website only
                had a few in the entire state.<br>
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                Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to
                them.<br>
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                John Hall<br>
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                <div>On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:<br>
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                    <div>There are basically two JD dealers in
                      NC--Quality Equipment and James River Equipment. 
                      I couldn't tell you how many stores Quality has,
                      but it's a lot. James River is in VA but they have
                      a few stores in the piedmont of NC.  I think there
                      is one privately/family owned JD dealer in the
                      state, Gay Implement in Seaboard, NC.<br>
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                    <div>caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but
                      compared to JD it's like they're not even trying.
                      We now have two Dealers in NC--one
                      privately/family owned (Clinton Truck &
                      Tractor) and then another dealer with multiple
                      stores but nowhere as many as JD.  CNH made two of
                      the best dealers in NC give up their
                      contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills in
                      Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they
                      weren't "Big" enough.  In Mills' case I expect
                      many of their loyal customers to go green.</div>
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                    <div>Al</div>
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                    <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 9,
                      2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson <<a
                        href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>>
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                        <p>Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to
                          do with antique tractors at all, but rather
                          with their service and maintenance policy for
                          today's highly software-driven ag machinery.
                          They have effectively put a 'No
                          User-Serviceable Parts Inside. Warranty void
                          if seal is broken' sign on their tractors, and
                          with the destruction of the network of small
                          local (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a
                          simple failure can be a multi-day adventure in
                          high-tech repairs. I'm not sure if it is true
                          for the whole country, but this policy has
                          been upheld by courts in California.</p>
                        <p>One of my sources works for one of those
                          now-former JD dealers. Deere offered to buy
                          back their inventory, with a one-time deal,
                          and told them that they didn't *have* to sell
                          everything back (tractors, implements, and
                          parts) but that they would get no factory
                          support for anything they sold after the
                          cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is that
                          Deere & Co. wants to have regional dealers
                          with at least 6 outlets, and that more than
                          that is even better. At the same time they got
                          bought out, the big regional dealer in
                          Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with
                          Nobbe...the combined dealership has locations
                          in 26 towns in Missouri and Illinois. It's
                          virtually impossible to avoid them in central
                          to north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That
                          said, I've never tried to deal with them
                          myself...]<br>
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                        Mark J<br>
                        Columbia, MO
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                        <div>On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, <a
                            href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Part of the problems
                              were related to the x60 series of tractors
                              in the late 50’ which allowed JD to
                              capture the lead in # of tractors produced
                              but that was just one of many mistakes
                              that I/H made and they were in such a
                              weakened position by the time the 80’s
                              farm crisis arrived they could not ride it
                              out…., alone. It is a whole series of
                              mistakes.    There is a book written by a
                              woman that exposes these mistakes by the
                              name of Barbara Marsh titled: A Corporate
                              Tragedy: The Agony of International
                              Harvester Company.  Worth reading.</p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">I think it would be
                              unwise to think that JD only overtook I/H
                              in total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H
                              made some mistakes.  JD made a few
                              mistakes along the way as well. But they
                              made some really good decisions too. The
                              JD New Generation tractors announced in
                              the fall of 1960 were one of many good
                              decisions JD made to become the power
                              house they are today. I have no experience
                              on comparing how good a JD Tractor vs a
                              Case I/H tractor is today so I make no
                              judgments on that. </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <a
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                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Howard Pletcher<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 8, 2020
                                4:13 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
                                Discussion Group <a
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                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Cub - Update</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like you
                                  think the downfall stemmed from the
                                  tractor problems. Tractors were about
                                  40% of the company and couldn’t have
                                  saved the company even if there were
                                  no problems.  The real mismanagement
                                  was in the financial area going back
                                  as far as the 20s & 30s. </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 8,
                                    2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt <<a
href="mailto:bvandragt@comcast.net" target="_blank"
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                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt">IH has
                                    had plenty of time to catch up, but
                                    they just can't.<br>
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                                    Brian</p>
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