[AT] driver convenience systems

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Wed Jan 22 20:01:44 PST 2020


Spencer:

The ridiculous ting is that the setting is on a touch screen instead of 
a switch.
Cecil

On 1/22/2020 2:43 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> You can toggle a setting that allows the lighting stalk to be “normal” 
> brights on/off or be auto dim on/off.  But it’s a touch screen setting 
> and 3 menus down....
>
> I live on a private road that is dark and unlit.   It also has 
> speedbumps (don’t get me started on that - crazy neighbors insisted 
> when we finally paved it).   Slowing down for the speedbumps triggers 
> this behavior.  I also have a long dark drive to the shed with the 
> baler and the Ford and continues down to one barn. My speed on that 
> driveway  is too slow for them to even come on.
>
> Also, sometimes you just want to be stopped but still have the bright 
> lights on.
>
> Funny thing is, if It didn’t do such a great job on the road in normal 
> circumstances, I’d turn autodim off and leave it off. But I really 
> like it under those normal circumstances.  So I find myself doing 
> without bright lights in slow/stopped circumstances or fumbling with a 
> touchscreen.
>
> Seems ridiculous. Why would I not want bright lights below 15mph?
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Spencer:  presumably one can shut the auto-dimming function off?  I 
>> can totally see the 15mph irritation.  My tractor-hauling rig is a 
>> '16 F-250 but it's pretty basic "XL" trim level.  Not much 
>> auto-anything beyond the transmission.  Which is fine with me!
>>
>> Steve O.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 1:30 PM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com 
>> <mailto:spencer at rdfarms.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     My 2016 Ram antique tractor hauling truck has auto dimming and
>>     clearly uses a camera and AI to recognize headlights AND
>>     taillights.  Does really well.   Only  issues are some
>>     security/street lights will fool it and they turn off.  Even then
>>     the truck has to be approaching at just the right vector.  Minor
>>     thing in my mind.
>>
>>     Other one is speed.   Below 15mph the brights go off.  This is a
>>     bigger deal and pisses me off driving on the beach or a gravel rd
>>     when I am traveling between 12-18 mph and they turn on and off
>>     and on and off and ......
>>
>>
>>     Spencer
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>     On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Dean Vinson <dean at vinsonfarm.net
>>>     <mailto:dean at vinsonfarm.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>     I rented a car last month while visiting relatives in another
>>>     state.  Toyota Camry, I think, whatever the rental place
>>>     considered a “full size” car.   With the headlight switch in
>>>     Auto mode, it would automatically switch the high beams on and
>>>     off depending on whether oncoming car headlights were visible.  
>>>     Freaked me out when it first happened.   I watched attentively
>>>     for a while and it worked fine, never left the high beams on
>>>     when I would have switched them off.   But I stopped using Auto
>>>     mode after that and just used the normal On setting and
>>>     controlled the high beams manually… too much habit, muscle
>>>     memory, and lingering distrust of the new system.
>>>
>>>     As I think about it, maybe the auto bright/dim control isn’t a
>>>     bad feature, since there are sure a bunch of morons out there
>>>     who don’t think it’s important to switch to low beams when
>>>     they’re **behind** another car.  Hopefully the technology
>>>     provides that capability too…
>>>
>>>     Dean Vinson
>>>
>>>     Saint Paris, OH
>>>
>>>     *From:* AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>] *On Behalf Of
>>>     *Aaron Dickinson
>>>     *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2020 5:05 PM
>>>     *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>>     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AT] driver convenience systems
>>>
>>>     Rain, fog, Snow all can allow enough ambient light to fool the
>>>     auto headlamps to think they are not necessary. My complaint
>>>     when they first came out with daytime running lights with auto
>>>     headlamps, was fear that it would make drivers lazy/ignorant
>>>     about when and how to use their headlights. I have seen too many
>>>     times when lights are not on or fully on when they should be.
>>>     Little concerned about the driver alert systems. Surprised at
>>>     the number of drivers that don’t know how to position their
>>>     mirrors, or have awareness of their surroundings. Like many on
>>>     the list, I drive a pickup truck often towing a trailer, be it a
>>>     flatbed, travel, or enclosed. I am able to _adjust_ my mirrors
>>>     to nearly eliminate blind spots, those that remain are monitored
>>>     for vehicles entering and leaving.
>>>
>>>     Aaron Dickinson
>>>
>>>     Mason, Michigan
>>>
>>>     *From: *Jim Becker <mailto:mr.jebecker at gmail.com>
>>>     *Sent: *Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:49 PM
>>>     *To: *'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>>>     <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>     *Subject: *Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.
>>>
>>>     Yeah, what Brian said about DRLs, except maybe not at 80%. 
>>>     Automatic lights respond to light levels and should turn on both
>>>     front and rear.  Most if not all also have an instrument panel
>>>     indicator so the driver can tell if the automatic lights are
>>>     on.  They do not know when it is raining as light levels in rain
>>>     are usually above the level that turns on the lights.  It is
>>>     still up to the driver to turn on lights in the rain.
>>>
>>>     Jim Becker
>>>
>>>     *From:*Brian VanDragt
>>>
>>>     *Sent:*Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM
>>>
>>>     *To:*'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>>>
>>>     *Subject:*Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.
>>>
>>>     I don’t know how all the auto mode lights work, but my ‘99 Chevy
>>>     Tahoe has daytime running lights and no auto mode.  Daytime
>>>     running lights are the front headlights only and are always on
>>>     at 80% brightness whenever the engine is running and the parking
>>>     brake is not set.  I don’t consider these auto mode lights.  If
>>>     I want my rear lights on and the headlights up to full
>>>     brightness when it is getting dark or when it is raining, I have
>>>     to turn my lights on manually.  Daytime running lights are to
>>>     make oncoming traffic more visible in shaded areas.
>>>
>>>     Brian
>>>
>>>     *From:*AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] *On
>>>     Behalf Of *Gilbert Schwartz
>>>     *Sent:* Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:23 PM
>>>     *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group; Howard Pletcher
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.
>>>
>>>     Howard, I am glad to hear that on your escape. The last four
>>>     vehicles I have had would not turn on the rear lights when the
>>>     auto mode turned on the front lights. One of those vehicles was
>>>     a pickup truck. Now I am wondering what condition turns the
>>>     lights on in auto mode. Several years ago my wife was driving in
>>>     a rainstorm while I was behind her. When we stopped I raised the
>>>     roof because she had no lights on. She advised me real quick "I
>>>     had them on auto mode".
>>>     The next time you are out in the daylight take a look at the
>>>     oncoming traffic and see how many have lights on the front but
>>>     none on the rear, unless of course they are applying their brakes.
>>>     I am guessing now that the insurance explanation says it all. I
>>>     thought for sure that EPA had something to do with it.
>>>     I guess I am just getting too old, I am one of those people that
>>>     just don't matter anymore.
>>>
>>>         On January 19, 2020 at 8:02 PM Howard Pletcher
>>>         <hrpletch at gmail.com <mailto:hrpletch at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         ???? I don't think a dangerous situation like that can be
>>>         industrywide.  My Ford Escape turns on both front and rear
>>>         in the auto mode.
>>>
>>>         Howard
>>>
>>>         On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 8:50 PM Gilbert Schwartz <
>>>         vschwartz1 at comcast.net <mailto:vschwartz1 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             While we are talking about vehicle lights, please,
>>>             someone explain to me why or how anyone would want to
>>>             have lights on the front of their vehicle with no lights
>>>             on the rear. It appears that this condition is
>>>             industrywide and seems to be always in the "AUTO" mode
>>>             on the headlight switch.
>>>
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