[AT] driver convenience systems
Cecil Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Wed Jan 22 20:01:44 PST 2020
Spencer:
The ridiculous ting is that the setting is on a touch screen instead of
a switch.
Cecil
On 1/22/2020 2:43 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> You can toggle a setting that allows the lighting stalk to be “normal”
> brights on/off or be auto dim on/off. But it’s a touch screen setting
> and 3 menus down....
>
> I live on a private road that is dark and unlit. It also has
> speedbumps (don’t get me started on that - crazy neighbors insisted
> when we finally paved it). Slowing down for the speedbumps triggers
> this behavior. I also have a long dark drive to the shed with the
> baler and the Ford and continues down to one barn. My speed on that
> driveway is too slow for them to even come on.
>
> Also, sometimes you just want to be stopped but still have the bright
> lights on.
>
> Funny thing is, if It didn’t do such a great job on the road in normal
> circumstances, I’d turn autodim off and leave it off. But I really
> like it under those normal circumstances. So I find myself doing
> without bright lights in slow/stopped circumstances or fumbling with a
> touchscreen.
>
> Seems ridiculous. Why would I not want bright lights below 15mph?
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Spencer: presumably one can shut the auto-dimming function off? I
>> can totally see the 15mph irritation. My tractor-hauling rig is a
>> '16 F-250 but it's pretty basic "XL" trim level. Not much
>> auto-anything beyond the transmission. Which is fine with me!
>>
>> Steve O.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 1:30 PM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com
>> <mailto:spencer at rdfarms.com>> wrote:
>>
>> My 2016 Ram antique tractor hauling truck has auto dimming and
>> clearly uses a camera and AI to recognize headlights AND
>> taillights. Does really well. Only issues are some
>> security/street lights will fool it and they turn off. Even then
>> the truck has to be approaching at just the right vector. Minor
>> thing in my mind.
>>
>> Other one is speed. Below 15mph the brights go off. This is a
>> bigger deal and pisses me off driving on the beach or a gravel rd
>> when I am traveling between 12-18 mph and they turn on and off
>> and on and off and ......
>>
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Dean Vinson <dean at vinsonfarm.net
>>> <mailto:dean at vinsonfarm.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I rented a car last month while visiting relatives in another
>>> state. Toyota Camry, I think, whatever the rental place
>>> considered a “full size” car. With the headlight switch in
>>> Auto mode, it would automatically switch the high beams on and
>>> off depending on whether oncoming car headlights were visible.
>>> Freaked me out when it first happened. I watched attentively
>>> for a while and it worked fine, never left the high beams on
>>> when I would have switched them off. But I stopped using Auto
>>> mode after that and just used the normal On setting and
>>> controlled the high beams manually… too much habit, muscle
>>> memory, and lingering distrust of the new system.
>>>
>>> As I think about it, maybe the auto bright/dim control isn’t a
>>> bad feature, since there are sure a bunch of morons out there
>>> who don’t think it’s important to switch to low beams when
>>> they’re **behind** another car. Hopefully the technology
>>> provides that capability too…
>>>
>>> Dean Vinson
>>>
>>> Saint Paris, OH
>>>
>>> *From:* AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Aaron Dickinson
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2020 5:05 PM
>>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] driver convenience systems
>>>
>>> Rain, fog, Snow all can allow enough ambient light to fool the
>>> auto headlamps to think they are not necessary. My complaint
>>> when they first came out with daytime running lights with auto
>>> headlamps, was fear that it would make drivers lazy/ignorant
>>> about when and how to use their headlights. I have seen too many
>>> times when lights are not on or fully on when they should be.
>>> Little concerned about the driver alert systems. Surprised at
>>> the number of drivers that don’t know how to position their
>>> mirrors, or have awareness of their surroundings. Like many on
>>> the list, I drive a pickup truck often towing a trailer, be it a
>>> flatbed, travel, or enclosed. I am able to _adjust_ my mirrors
>>> to nearly eliminate blind spots, those that remain are monitored
>>> for vehicles entering and leaving.
>>>
>>> Aaron Dickinson
>>>
>>> Mason, Michigan
>>>
>>> *From: *Jim Becker <mailto:mr.jebecker at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:49 PM
>>> *To: *'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.
>>>
>>> Yeah, what Brian said about DRLs, except maybe not at 80%.
>>> Automatic lights respond to light levels and should turn on both
>>> front and rear. Most if not all also have an instrument panel
>>> indicator so the driver can tell if the automatic lights are
>>> on. They do not know when it is raining as light levels in rain
>>> are usually above the level that turns on the lights. It is
>>> still up to the driver to turn on lights in the rain.
>>>
>>> Jim Becker
>>>
>>> *From:*Brian VanDragt
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.
>>>
>>> I don’t know how all the auto mode lights work, but my ‘99 Chevy
>>> Tahoe has daytime running lights and no auto mode. Daytime
>>> running lights are the front headlights only and are always on
>>> at 80% brightness whenever the engine is running and the parking
>>> brake is not set. I don’t consider these auto mode lights. If
>>> I want my rear lights on and the headlights up to full
>>> brightness when it is getting dark or when it is raining, I have
>>> to turn my lights on manually. Daytime running lights are to
>>> make oncoming traffic more visible in shaded areas.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> *From:*AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Gilbert Schwartz
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:23 PM
>>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group; Howard Pletcher
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.
>>>
>>> Howard, I am glad to hear that on your escape. The last four
>>> vehicles I have had would not turn on the rear lights when the
>>> auto mode turned on the front lights. One of those vehicles was
>>> a pickup truck. Now I am wondering what condition turns the
>>> lights on in auto mode. Several years ago my wife was driving in
>>> a rainstorm while I was behind her. When we stopped I raised the
>>> roof because she had no lights on. She advised me real quick "I
>>> had them on auto mode".
>>> The next time you are out in the daylight take a look at the
>>> oncoming traffic and see how many have lights on the front but
>>> none on the rear, unless of course they are applying their brakes.
>>> I am guessing now that the insurance explanation says it all. I
>>> thought for sure that EPA had something to do with it.
>>> I guess I am just getting too old, I am one of those people that
>>> just don't matter anymore.
>>>
>>> On January 19, 2020 at 8:02 PM Howard Pletcher
>>> <hrpletch at gmail.com <mailto:hrpletch at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ???? I don't think a dangerous situation like that can be
>>> industrywide. My Ford Escape turns on both front and rear
>>> in the auto mode.
>>>
>>> Howard
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 8:50 PM Gilbert Schwartz <
>>> vschwartz1 at comcast.net <mailto:vschwartz1 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While we are talking about vehicle lights, please,
>>> someone explain to me why or how anyone would want to
>>> have lights on the front of their vehicle with no lights
>>> on the rear. It appears that this condition is
>>> industrywide and seems to be always in the "AUTO" mode
>>> on the headlight switch.
>>>
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