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    <p>Spencer:</p>
    <p>The ridiculous ting is that the setting is on a touch screen
      instead of a switch.<br>
      Cecil<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/2020 2:43 PM, Spencer Yost
      wrote:<br>
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      You can toggle a setting that allows the lighting stalk to be
      “normal” brights on/off or be auto dim on/off.  But it’s a touch
      screen setting and 3 menus down....
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      <div>I live on a private road that is dark and unlit.   It also
        has speedbumps (don’t get me started on that - crazy neighbors
        insisted when we finally paved it).   Slowing down for the
        speedbumps triggers this behavior.  I also have a long dark
        drive to the shed with the baler and the Ford and continues down
        to one barn. My speed on that driveway  is too slow for them to
        even come on.   </div>
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      <div>Also, sometimes you just want to be stopped but still have
        the bright lights on. </div>
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      <div>Funny thing is, if It didn’t do such a great job on the road
        in normal circumstances, I’d turn autodim off and leave it off.
        But I really like it under those normal circumstances.  So I
        find myself doing without bright lights in slow/stopped
        circumstances or fumbling with a touchscreen.</div>
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        <div>Seems ridiculous. Why would I not want bright lights below
          15mph?</div>
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        <div>Spencer<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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            <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 22, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Stephen
              Offiler <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com"><soffiler@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Spencer:  presumably one can shut the
                auto-dimming function off?  I can totally see the 15mph
                irritation.  My tractor-hauling rig is a '16 F-250 but
                it's pretty basic "XL" trim level.  Not much
                auto-anything beyond the transmission.  Which is fine
                with me!
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                <div>Steve O.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 22, 2020
                  at 1:30 PM Spencer Yost <<a
                    href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">spencer@rdfarms.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">My 2016 Ram antique tractor hauling
                    truck has auto dimming and clearly uses a camera and
                    AI to recognize headlights AND taillights.  Does
                    really well.   Only  issues are some security/street
                    lights will fool it and they turn off.  Even then
                    the truck has to be approaching at just the right
                    vector.  Minor thing in my mind. 
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                    <div>Other one is speed.   Below 15mph the brights
                      go off.  This is a bigger deal and pisses me off
                      driving on the beach or a gravel rd when I am
                      traveling between 12-18 mph and they turn on and
                      off and on and off and ......</div>
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                    <div>Spencer <br>
                      <br>
                      <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:07
                          AM, Dean Vinson <<a
                            href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dean@vinsonfarm.net</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I rented a
                                car last month while visiting relatives
                                in another state.  Toyota Camry, I
                                think, whatever the rental place
                                considered a “full size” car.   With the
                                headlight switch in Auto mode, it would
                                automatically switch the high beams on
                                and off depending on whether oncoming
                                car headlights were visible.   Freaked
                                me out when it first happened.   I
                                watched attentively for a while and it
                                worked fine, never left the high beams
                                on when I would have switched them
                                off.   But I stopped using Auto mode
                                after that and just used the normal On
                                setting and controlled the high beams
                                manually… too much habit, muscle memory,
                                and lingering distrust of the new
                                system.</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">As I think
                                about it, maybe the auto bright/dim
                                control isn’t a bad feature, since there
                                are sure a bunch of morons out there who
                                don’t think it’s important to switch to
                                low beams when they’re *<b>behind</b>*
                                another car.  Hopefully the technology
                                provides that capability too…</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dean Vinson</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Saint
                                Paris, OH</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
                                  [mailto:<a
                                    href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Dickinson<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2020
                                  5:05 PM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
                                  Discussion Group <<a
                                    href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] driver
                                  convenience systems</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Rain, fog, Snow all can
                              allow enough ambient light to fool the
                              auto headlamps to think they are not
                              necessary. My complaint when they first
                              came out with daytime running lights with
                              auto headlamps, was fear that it would
                              make drivers lazy/ignorant about when and
                              how to use their headlights. I have seen
                              too many times when lights are not on or
                              fully on when they should be. Little
                              concerned about the driver alert systems.
                              Surprised at the number of drivers that
                              don’t know how to position their mirrors,
                              or have awareness of their surroundings.
                              Like many on the list, I drive a pickup
                              truck often towing a trailer, be it a
                              flatbed, travel, or enclosed. I am able to
                              <u>adjust</u> my mirrors to nearly
                              eliminate blind spots, those that remain
                              are monitored for vehicles entering and
                              leaving. </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Aaron Dickinson</p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Mason, Michigan</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a
                                  href="mailto:mr.jebecker@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Jim
                                  Becker</a><br>
                                <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 19, 2020
                                9:49 PM<br>
                                <b>To: </b><a
                                  href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">'Antique
                                  Tractor Email Discussion Group'</a><br>
                                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] tractor hauler
                                a pain to install headlights.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Yeah,
                                what Brian said about DRLs, except maybe
                                not at 80%.  Automatic lights respond to
                                light levels and should turn on both
                                front and rear.  Most if not all also
                                have an instrument panel indicator so
                                the driver can tell if the automatic
                                lights are on.  They do not know when it
                                is raining as light levels in rain are
                                usually above the level that turns on
                                the lights.  It is still up to the
                                driver to turn on lights in the rain.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jim
                                  Becker</span></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> Brian
                                        VanDragt </span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">
                                        Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM</span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">
                                        'Antique Tractor Email
                                        Discussion Group' </span></p>
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                                      style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> Re:
                                        [AT] tractor hauler a pain to
                                        install headlights.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I don’t
                                  know how all the auto mode lights
                                  work, but my ‘99 Chevy Tahoe has
                                  daytime running lights and no auto
                                  mode.  Daytime running lights are the
                                  front headlights only and are always
                                  on at 80% brightness whenever the
                                  engine is running and the parking
                                  brake is not set.  I don’t consider
                                  these auto mode lights.  If I want my
                                  rear lights on and the headlights up
                                  to full brightness when it is getting
                                  dark or when it is raining, I have to
                                  turn my lights on manually.  Daytime
                                  running lights are to make oncoming
                                  traffic more visible in shaded areas.</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Brian</span></p>
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                                        style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> AT [<a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilbert
                                      Schwartz<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 19,
                                      2020 9:23 PM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
                                      Discussion Group; Howard Pletcher<br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] tractor
                                      hauler a pain to install
                                      headlights.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Howard,
                                    I am glad to hear that on your
                                    escape. The last four vehicles I
                                    have had would not turn on the rear
                                    lights when the auto mode turned on
                                    the front lights. One of those
                                    vehicles was a pickup truck. Now I
                                    am wondering what condition turns
                                    the lights on in auto mode. Several
                                    years ago my wife was driving in a
                                    rainstorm while I was behind her.
                                    When we stopped I raised the roof
                                    because she had no lights on. She
                                    advised me real quick "I had them on
                                    auto mode". <br>
                                    The next time you are out in the
                                    daylight take a look at the oncoming
                                    traffic and see how many have lights
                                    on the front but none on the rear,
                                    unless of course they are applying
                                    their brakes. <br>
                                    I am guessing now that the insurance
                                    explanation says it all. I thought
                                    for sure that EPA had something to
                                    do with it. <br>
                                    I guess I am just getting too old, I
                                    am one of those people that just
                                    don't matter anymore. </span></p>
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                                    style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                    New Roman",serif;color:black">On
                                    January 19, 2020 at 8:02 PM Howard
                                    Pletcher <<a
                                      href="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">hrpletch@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote: </span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">???? 
                                          I don't think a dangerous
                                          situation like that can be
                                          industrywide.  My Ford Escape
                                          turns on both front and rear
                                          in the auto mode. </span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Howard
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black">On
                                          Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 8:50 PM
                                          Gilbert Schwartz < <a
                                            href="mailto:vschwartz1@comcast.net"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">vschwartz1@comcast.net</a>>
                                          wrote: </span></p>
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                                          style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black">While
                                          we are talking about vehicle
                                          lights, please, someone
                                          explain to me why or how
                                          anyone would want to have
                                          lights on the front of their
                                          vehicle with no lights on the
                                          rear. It appears that this
                                          condition is industrywide and
                                          seems to be always in the
                                          "AUTO" mode on the headlight
                                          switch.  </span></p>
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                                    <br>
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