[AT] OT- Computer help please

Mike M meulenms at gmx.com
Tue Feb 18 12:06:46 PST 2020


Thanks Steve and cgs, I'm going to try it.

Mike M


On 2/18/2020 2:34 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> The one I had laying around is a 4GB, and I seem to recall the file I
> downloaded was 1.9GB.  Here's what I did:
>
> 1.  Google brought me to this download site:
> https://linuxmint.com/download.php
>
> 2.  Choose 32 or 64 bit (mine is 32) and choose one of the GUI's aka
> "desktop".  Mate was recommended, so I took that one.
>
> 3.  Save the download to the hard drive of the machine that's doing
> the downloading (in my case, it's my Win 10 machine at work... NOT the
> laptop in question)
>
> 4.  Next, download and install Etcher on the machine that's doing the
> downloading: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
>
> 5.  Etcher is extremely simple.  You point it to the Linux file, then
> you point it to the thumb drive, then hit Flash!
>
> 6.  When done, you now have a Linux bootable thumb drive.
>
> As others have pointed out, some older machines can't boot from USB;
> some can, but you have to hit F12 on power-up; some will go
> automatically to the USB if it has a bootable OS.  The latter is how
> mine worked.  Stick the thumb drive into the laptop, turn it on, and a
> mere few seconds later, you are running Linux.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:21 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>
>     Steve, unless I missed it, what size thumb drive did you need?
>
>     Thanks,
>     Mike M
>
>     On 2/18/2020 9:09 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>     And... it worked!   Just about as simple as it sounded.  Laptop
>>     just boots straight off USB, automatically, no fuss,  no F12 or
>>     anything else needed. And fast!
>>
>>     One detail, the "USB Image Writer" runs under Linux.  The
>>     equivalent that runs under Windows is "Etcher"
>>
>>     SO
>>
>>     On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:20 AM Stephen Offiler
>>     <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         THANKS!  Will check that out!
>>
>>         SO
>>
>>         On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 6:58 AM cgs <oxygenfarm at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Linux Mint has an accessory named 'USB Image Writer'
>>             which will put the downloaded image of your new operating
>>             system onto your USB. A good instruction for Mint is at
>>             _https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/Cinnamon/english_18.0.pdf_
>>             I use its Mate version whose latest is 19.3 on older
>>             computers.
>>
>>             On 2/18/20 5:13 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>             Yes, I have one SATA connector on the old laptop.  I am
>>>             hearing several votes in favor of Mint/Mate. Since I
>>>             don't have a ton of free time, hoping maybe someone can
>>>             provide a decent overview of the process.  I'd like to
>>>             ignore the hard drive on the laptop and try to boot off
>>>             a thumb drive as we've been discussing.  Basically treat
>>>             the laptop as if it were already dead.  I have a fully
>>>             modern, fully functional desktop workstation running Win
>>>             10 for downloads and manipulations of the thumb drive. 
>>>             So what are the basic steps?  Download to the
>>>             workstation and then send files over to the thumb, or
>>>             download straight to the thumb?  In either case, how do
>>>             I make the thumb bootable?
>>>
>>>             Thanks in advance...
>>>             SO
>>>
>>>             On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:53 AM cgs
>>>             <oxygenfarm at gmail.com <mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Most versions of Linux are free and legal to
>>>                 download; some charge for a prepared thumb drive
>>>                 and/or a phone help service.
>>>                 I have several computers that age which will run the
>>>                 lighter Linux versions. A new solid state drive (120
>>>                 GB) can be found online or at MicroCenter for $25
>>>                 (be sure your old iron has SATA connectors!)
>>>
>>>                 On 2/17/20 5:20 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>                 Hi Phil:
>>>>
>>>>                 I've got a Dell from about 2009 or so, perhaps a
>>>>                 3000-series (?), running XP. At the time it was a
>>>>                 workstation-class laptop, capable of running 3D CAD
>>>>                 software.  I don't use it much anymore, but it
>>>>                 definitely comes in handy sometimes. Nothing
>>>>                 important is stored on it.  Hard drive has given me
>>>>                 a few scares over the last several years, but it
>>>>                 comes back every time (on it's own; I have not done
>>>>                 anything heroic).  This bootable thumb drive thing
>>>>                 is intriguing because you don't need any hard drive
>>>>                 at all with it.  In your scenario, with the hidden
>>>>                 partition, you still need a functional hard drive.
>>>>                 Plus, there's been enough discussion of Linux here
>>>>                 on ATIS (and elsewhere) that I'm curious.
>>>>
>>>>                 SO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 5:08 AM Phil Auten
>>>>                 <pga2 at basicisp.net <mailto:pga2 at basicisp.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Hi, Stephen,
>>>>
>>>>                     I don't remember what brand of PC you have, but
>>>>                     several manufacturers provide a "hidden
>>>>                     partition" on the hard drive that can be used
>>>>                     to restore the PC back to factory settings. On
>>>>                     both of my Acer laptops the <Alt-F10> keys are
>>>>                     pressed together during boot. This enables the
>>>>                     restore function.  That would, however, wipe
>>>>                     out your files. But if there is no other
>>>>                     alternative it would be worth a try. The laptop
>>>>                     I am using to type this suffered a hard drive
>>>>                     crash a couple of years ago. The hard drive was
>>>>                     no longer recognized. Using the Acer part
>>>>                     number, I was able to find the exact same hard
>>>>                     drive on eBay. I had to completely rebuild my
>>>>                     setup, but still much less expensive than a new
>>>>                     laptop.
>>>>
>>>>                     If that $35 thumb drive is bootable, that would
>>>>                     still be a good option for me.
>>>>
>>>>                     My 2¢
>>>>
>>>>                     Phil in TX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     On 2/16/2020 5:44 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>>                     Hi farmer: When you say no reason to buy
>>>>>                     anything, I assume you refer to that $35 thumb
>>>>>                     drive device I mentioned.  As I understand it,
>>>>>                     the thumb drive is bootable, circumventing the
>>>>>                     hard drive and whatever OS is on the machine. 
>>>>>                     The sales pitch is that it will take a machine
>>>>>                     that's bricked and bring it back to life.  Do
>>>>>                     you have a way to accomplish that for free?
>>>>>
>>>>>                     SO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                     On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 10:39 PM Indiana
>>>>>                     Robinson <robinson46176 at gmail.com
>>>>>                     <mailto:robinson46176 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                         No reason to buy anything, Most
>>>>>                         distributions of Linux will read Windows
>>>>>                         files. You can copy, paste move etc. and
>>>>>                         you can download anything for free. I
>>>>>                         don't putter with old stuff as much as I
>>>>>                         used to but I've used Knoppix for such
>>>>>                         things for many years. I don't know if
>>>>>                         Windows 10 can read Linux files yet or not
>>>>>                         but I once read that it was soon to be an
>>>>>                         option. If you install Linux as a dual
>>>>>                         boot with Windows you can just access your
>>>>>                         Windows files without having to reboot
>>>>>                         back into Windows to find them or work
>>>>>                         with them.
>>>>>                         Half of the Linux learning curve is
>>>>>                         terminology... If you have become
>>>>>                         comfortable using Android you are half way
>>>>>                         there. Android is just a mobile (and
>>>>>                         tablet) version of Linux. Android is built
>>>>>                         on and running the Linux Kernel but your
>>>>>                         desktop box won't run Android.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                         .
>>>>>
>>>>>                         On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 9:33 AM cgs
>>>>>                         <oxygenfarm at gmail.com
>>>>>                         <mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                             Look at
>>>>>                             _http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/5-best-data-recovery-tools-for-linux-to-recover-data-or-deleted-partitions_
>>>>>
>>>>>                             On 2/15/20 7:12 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>>>                             Good to hear it's all set.  I've been
>>>>>>                             seeing ad's for a device called
>>>>>>                             "XtraPC" which, it turns out, is some
>>>>>>                             flavor of Linux burned onto a thumb
>>>>>>                             drive for something like $35.  You
>>>>>>                             can bring back most troublesome old
>>>>>>                             machines from the grave (assuming the
>>>>>>                             problem is hard drive/boot software,
>>>>>>                             not some hardware failure of
>>>>>>                             course).  What I do not know is
>>>>>>                             whether you can access your Windows
>>>>>>                             files under Linux. Curious about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             SO
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                             --
>>>>>                             Charlie
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>>>>>                         Francis Robinson
>>>>>                         aka "farmer"
>>>>>                         Central Indiana USA
>>>>>                         robinson46176 at gmail.com
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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