[AT] Statistics In Tractor Manufacturing

[Cecil Bearden]

Phil I agree completely.  the dealer I bought this tractor from was in 
Chickasha where I spent  large part of my youth.  I knew this dealer and 
had traded with them since the present owner's Dad had started the 
dealership working with short lines out of the back door of his house.  
For many years he was the Allis and IHC dealership.  He did business on 
a handshake, and would not bid against another farmer if he was at a 
sale.  He was just a real fine gentleman.  Unfortunately he died of 
cancer and his son took over.  His son was also a good fellow.   The 
salesman I dealt with was a shirttail relative of a friend of mine, and 
we thought he was ok.  The story was that the former owner only used the 
tractor to feed cattle with and take care of his place.  He was supposed 
to be about 70yrs old and had a couple of oil wells and needed to 
trade.  This was a typical scenario in that part of OKlahoma with the 
oil play there.
I think the tractor came from the annual sale at Norman where the 
dealers get rid of trades and it was cleaned up and I ended up with it.  
I had a CIH JX85 that was just not enough tractor for my use.  I had 
spent $7000 for a new loader and this dealer installed it.  I had paid 
extra for the joystick control instead of plugging into the remotes.  My 
new Holland used the remotes that were connected to the joystick.  I 
have to disconnect hte loader to use the remotes.  It was a nice tractor 
and worked great for the first 40 hours, then the injector pump trashed 
apart inside.  It took a complete new pump.  No warranty.  1240 hours 
were showing.  at 2500 it sucked the valve.  I thought it was the drive 
plate in the transmission as that is where the noise was coming from.  
The NH dealership at Chickasha tore it down installed a new drive plate 
and then told me that it was a dropped valve.  They broke the windshield 
while they had it and lost the $125 bracket on the hood.  They did not 
fasten the fuel tank up properly and I found it before it it nearly drug 
off.  They also screwed up the fuel intake in the fuel tank and the fuel 
gauge no longer works.   I have re-plumped the fuel lines so it will 
start without dying, but the fuel gauge sending unit leaks when the tank 
is over half full.  The NH dealership did the most damage...   I want to 
note that the NH dealer was not the one I got the tractor from.

This is the reason I like the Belarus tractors.  The dealership does not 
help me a bit.  The dealership on my MTZ Belarus is in Canada.   If I 
have problems, I email what the problem is they send me the parts and I 
bill them for the time to fix.  Next year the warranty is out, but I 
still have better service than the dealers here.    I think just this 
past month I found a dealership that has a good mechanic and I am going 
to try them on my TS110 to reprogram the transmission.  It is making a 
funny noise like a chatter when going from fwd to rev.  The mechanic 
said it sounded like a solenoid.  Sometimes it does not like to go into 
reverse, and that may be the solenoid.  They have been very good about 
parts and information the past year, so I am going to try them when I 
get all my wheat sowed.

Cecil

On 9/15/2019 1:27 PM, Phil Auten wrote:
> Cecil, if the tractor had been used to mow roadsides the operators 
> would have been many over the life of the tractor. There's no way that 
> all operators treated the tractor the same or if the operators even 
> knew how to treat "somebody else's tractor". It would appear to me 
> that tractors in that situation get rode hard and put up wet, so to 
> speak. This doesn't bode well for longevity, as you well know. It's 
> like my dear ol' departed Daddy used to tell me, "Son, take care of 
> your car and it'll take care of you".
>
> Phil in TX
>
>
> On 9/15/2019 9:22 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>> From my investigation and experience, I think the tractor was 
>> originally sold to a county and used mainly for mowing roadsides or 
>> it was used by a contractor mowing highway roadsides for the state.  
>> The state now mows the roadsides again as the contractors could not 
>> make enough money doing it.  It was a boondoggle by a former governor 
>> who thought he could streamline the ODOT.   They sold all their 
>> mowing tractors retired a bunch of mechanics and now 25 years later 
>> they are back to mowing.  At 2500 hours on the meter it had a failure 
>> that usually happened with that engine at 8000 hours. Several of 
>> these tractors have been in service in the UK with over 14000 hours 
>> on them and no major repairs.
>>
>> The OKla DOT specifies a single axle IHC dump truck that is their 
>> main utility vehicle.   It has a 4 yd bed with a 5 speed trans and a 
>> 2spd 30K +/- axle geared for 60mph top speed.  Then use a DT360 
>> diesel engine.  Most would spec the DT466 engine, but with the DT360 
>> and the low gearing the truck will last over 600000 miles in severe 
>> service.  I have loaded 7 yds of shale on mine and hauled it for 
>> short distances.
>>
>> Cecil
>>
>> On 9/15/2019 8:23 AM, James Peck wrote:
>>> It was probably a money pit from day one. All the fraudulent actions 
>>> they undertook were to get out from under it.
>>>
>>> [Cecil Bearden] The New Holland Money Pit is what it is because 
>>> somewhere in its history the hour meter was turned back.  New tires 
>>> were installed and it was made to look like a 5 yr. old tractor with 
>>> about 200 hrs. per year.
>>>
>>> [ James Peck] <snip> The same (Weibull] distribution probably 
>>> predicts that Cecil’s New Holland money pit will continue to be so 
>>> and will suffer an early demise. <snip>
>>>
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