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[Cecil Bearden]

Thanks Herb.  The Allis equipment I have has now been sitting for so 
long since the Fiat buyout, I don't think I have enough years left to 
get them running even If I have the money.  This is the reason I am so 
irritated at all these manufacturers.  Back when I had the ability and 
energy to work on and with the equipment I acquired, I quickly ran out 
of money due to the high cost of their parts.  This was prior to the 
internet.  We had the phone and a list of contacts.  Now that the 
aftermarket is available on the internet, more affordable parts are 
available, but mostly for Deere and Cat.  A used Fiat Allis dozer about 
the size of my D6D came available on a government bid last year.  It had 
a torque convertor problem.  I researched the availability of rebuilt 
convertors and found that it would cost over $5000 for the convertor.  
$1500 will get either a rebullt Cat convertor or an aftermarket new 
one...  The Dozer went for about $12000, add another $5000 for convertor 
and then $2500 for labor and my Cat D6D at $26K looks better every day.

The same thing has happened with IHC construction.  The Dresser 
industries buyout created a real mess.  I really liked the old TD series 
dozers and IHC had some good construction equipment, mismanagement of 
the company created the problems and they sold out.   I don't like a lot 
of the things that Cat management has done, but they have stayed in 
business and parts for most any old one can be had at a reasonable 
cost.  Cat equipment costs more, but they last longer and many times use 
less fuel than other equivalent machines.  There are a lot of old D6 
dozers still running in other countries.  I would still be using my old 
D6, but I needed more power in the red clay where I live.  The cab also 
is a big plus.  Next year I plan on hooking a big subsoiler behind the 
D6D and ripping the old plow pan on the wheat field.  I need to get the 
water to penetrate.

A friend of mine has  a sand pit and moves a lot of material every day.  
His dad started using Komatsu excavators until after 10K hours he had to 
overhaul the engine.  It was done at the dealership but never ran right 
and used more fuel than before the overhaul.  He traded for a Deere 
excavator.  They ran the Deere for 4 years and traded up to a 2017 
Deere.  In June, he traded to a Cat it was more purchase cost, but it 
uses 20 gallons of fuel less daily.  That is not a lot of savings, but 
over time it adds up...  Filters and maintenance items are cheaper too.

My contractor friend who hauled my D6 to trade for the 112 grader has 
only Cat machines.  He has 50 years of dirt work experience in western 
OK and probably moves over 3 million cubic yards a year. I am grateful 
to him for convincing me to stick with Cat...  Sort of like the reason I 
stick with the Belarus tractors..  They cost me less....

Cecil

On 9/5/2019 12:07 PM, HERBERT METZ wrote:
>
> Cecil,
>
> Your need for Allis Chalmers repair parts; 'Allischalmers.com' forum 
> has been around for twenty years; suggest you monitor 'Construction 
> and Other Equipment'  which is one of ten categories where you can 
> monitor without posting. If you chose to post you must get a password 
> (no problem; no cost).
>
> Herb(GA)
>
>> On September 5, 2019 at 9:53 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Steve:
>>
>> I would make a small wager that your rims would have been 50% less if 
>> you could have ordered them before Fiat got so involved in new 
>> holland.  I am just not a fan of Fiat.  After they bought out Allis 
>> Chalmers construction equipment, parts were either non-existent or 
>> platinum...  Unfortunately I have a few pieces of Allis construction 
>> equipment here.  None are operable due to a repair parts cost of over 
>> $2000.  This is the reason I went to Caterpillar.  There are enough 
>> aftermarket parts available for Cats.  Cat tried to stop the 
>> aftermarket parts supply many years ago by buying Surplus Tractor 
>> Parts of Fargo North Dakota.  3 years after buying them Caterpillar 
>> shutdown the facility and scrapped all the machines in order to make 
>> everyone buy new Caterpillar machines.   It did not work as they 
>> planned.  The overseas manufacturers started supplying parts and 
>> small salvages started up all over.  I recently traded my old D6 8U 
>> series dozer for a 112 grader.  My old D6 had sat for about 10 years 
>> since I parked it.  We loaded it without it not running.  The fellow 
>> I traded with is a real mechanic.  We dropped the dozer off at about 
>> 1pm Sunday and loaded the grader and headed home.  He had the dozer 
>> running before dark!!!!!   I wish he was closer to my place, we could 
>> have some great times with all of our toys.  That trade has turned 
>> out to be a great deal for both of us.   I have another 112 grader, 
>> and also another friend in the brotherhood.....
>> Cecil
>>
>>
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