[AT] 1970's farm equipment

John Hall jtchall at nc.rr.com
Wed Oct 23 16:24:20 PDT 2019


That collector wasn't by chance associated with a grocery store chain 
was he? There was one not too far from you that supposedly had a 
building full of green tractors, or so I was told 25 years ago by a 
fellow at the Pfafftown show--said he saw them in person.

John Hall


On 10/23/2019 7:00 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> I am pretty sure the orchard fenders were not even standard on the 
> AO(and also an option for the AR at least early on), so I don’t 
> believe it was fenders.
>
> The brakes others mentioned I didn’t  even recall as different  but 
> sounds likely.  I was thinking exhaust  but that seems too 
> inconsequential and so easily modified no one would use that for 
> definitive ID anyways.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know!  I’m holding off Googling until I hear 
> the answer.
>
> When I was buying a lot of John Deere tractors for a collector I 
> worked for, me and the other guy doing the buying buying could - 
> between the two of us - tell you 95% of everything you ever needed to 
> know about John Deere tractors and their subtle differences, 
> idiosyncrasies and history. Now I doubt I remember even half of it. 
> Funny how it just slips away when you stop using it.
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 23, 2019, at 3:58 AM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Interesting tractor which was made for a very short period of time.  
>> Since we are seeing who can pee the farthest, what was a very 
>> desirable standard feature on the 1936 JD AO that was also available 
>> on the 1936 AR as an option which sometimes makes them hard to 
>>  identify correctly ?
>>
>> Dean VP
>>
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Moe 
>> Fretz
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:37 AM
>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
>>
>> Tractor related?????????
>>
>> Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.
>>
>> To discussing (bragging) about all
>>
>> the engineering courses we've taken or should have.
>>
>> To offshore manufacturing quality.
>>
>> To the help line accents.
>>
>> And now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.
>>
>> Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.
>>
>> Not much tractor related stuff in the last few days.
>>
>> My 1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.
>>
>> It does have any software needing to be upgraded.
>>
>> No help line available or needed.
>>
>> And you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.
>>
>>
>> $-------&
>> Moe F.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ontario, Canada
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam 
>> <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net <mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering
>>     classes. "How to engineer all the value out." Some people did not
>>     have enough sense it ignore the BS.
>>
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam
>>
>>         <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net <mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.
>>
>>         I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax
>>         VMS?? DX10
>>         one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000,
>>         TI 9900,
>>         Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language.
>>         With some
>>         Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared
>>         to XP.
>>
>>         XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of
>>         Microsoft's crap
>>         OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108
>>         systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that
>>         could record
>>         data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought
>>         that to a
>>         stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to maybe
>>         5,000
>>         stations. :-{
>>
>>
>>         On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:
>>         > I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I am/was a
>>         > computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?
>>         >
>>         > I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing my own,
>>         since 2011
>>         > and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I have
>>         two working
>>         > computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the newest
>>         and it is
>>         > running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model
>>         and runs XP.
>>         > That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will keep up.
>>         >
>>         > Phil in TX
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, deanvp at att.net
>>         <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>         >> James,
>>         >>
>>         >> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I marvel
>>         at how many
>>         >> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven by the
>>         High Tech
>>         >> industries
>>         >> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the Oriental's
>>         that were
>>         >> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm sure
>>         much of our
>>         >> technical
>>         >> knowledge is eventually ending up back in India.??
>>         However, that
>>         >> doesn't seem
>>         >> to apply to those who work in the technical support groups
>>         we call
>>         >> for help.
>>         >> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help
>>         line for
>>         >> anything.
>>         >> First because they really don't know very much and
>>         secondly their accent
>>         >> combined with my loss of hearing makes understanding them
>>         almost
>>         >> impossible.
>>         >> I will work Google search until I find the answer I'm
>>         looking for. I
>>         >> just
>>         >> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I
>>         changed from double
>>         >> click to single click file opening on my mouse. Long
>>         enough ago I had
>>         >> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look
>>         was on the
>>         >> setup
>>         >> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too
>>         long and
>>         >> finally I
>>         >> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix it. Google
>>         came to the
>>         >> rescue.
>>         >> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer, view,
>>         options, change
>>         >> options
>>         >> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found that the
>>         first time is
>>         >> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple but
>>         frustrating.
>>         >>
>>         >> Dean VP
>>         >> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>         >>
>>         >> -----Original Message-----
>>         >> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>         <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf Of
>>         James Peck
>>         >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM
>>         >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>         >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>         <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>>         >> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
>>         >>
>>         >> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties.
>>         The focus
>>         >> then was
>>         >> on making all components so they ended their life at 10
>>         years. The items
>>         >> that lasted longer were made too well.
>>         >>
>>         >> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled
>>         every thing
>>         >> with the
>>         >> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The
>>         auto world
>>         >> had it
>>         >> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet
>>         emissions rules
>>         >> that they
>>         >> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg
>>         contraptions were
>>         >> designed
>>         >> to that standard with predictable results.
>>         >>
>>         >> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the
>>         cost savings
>>         >> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers
>>         have also
>>         >> caught on
>>         >> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for.
>>         Where the above
>>         >> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win.
>>         China, like
>>         >> Taiwan
>>         >> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game.
>>         Africa is
>>         >> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a
>>         bit but they
>>         >> are
>>         >> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far
>>         behind China
>>         >> into
>>         >> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but
>>         they have
>>         >> a lot
>>         >> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on
>>         the job in
>>         >> the US
>>         >> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk period.
>>         >>
>>         >> .
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