[AT] 1970's farm equipment
John Hall
jtchall at nc.rr.com
Wed Oct 23 16:24:20 PDT 2019
That collector wasn't by chance associated with a grocery store chain
was he? There was one not too far from you that supposedly had a
building full of green tractors, or so I was told 25 years ago by a
fellow at the Pfafftown show--said he saw them in person.
John Hall
On 10/23/2019 7:00 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> I am pretty sure the orchard fenders were not even standard on the
> AO(and also an option for the AR at least early on), so I don’t
> believe it was fenders.
>
> The brakes others mentioned I didn’t even recall as different but
> sounds likely. I was thinking exhaust but that seems too
> inconsequential and so easily modified no one would use that for
> definitive ID anyways.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know! I’m holding off Googling until I hear
> the answer.
>
> When I was buying a lot of John Deere tractors for a collector I
> worked for, me and the other guy doing the buying buying could -
> between the two of us - tell you 95% of everything you ever needed to
> know about John Deere tractors and their subtle differences,
> idiosyncrasies and history. Now I doubt I remember even half of it.
> Funny how it just slips away when you stop using it.
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 23, 2019, at 3:58 AM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting tractor which was made for a very short period of time.
>> Since we are seeing who can pee the farthest, what was a very
>> desirable standard feature on the 1936 JD AO that was also available
>> on the 1936 AR as an option which sometimes makes them hard to
>> identify correctly ?
>>
>> Dean VP
>>
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Moe
>> Fretz
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:37 AM
>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
>>
>> Tractor related?????????
>>
>> Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.
>>
>> To discussing (bragging) about all
>>
>> the engineering courses we've taken or should have.
>>
>> To offshore manufacturing quality.
>>
>> To the help line accents.
>>
>> And now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.
>>
>> Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.
>>
>> Not much tractor related stuff in the last few days.
>>
>> My 1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.
>>
>> It does have any software needing to be upgraded.
>>
>> No help line available or needed.
>>
>> And you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.
>>
>>
>> $-------&
>> Moe F.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ontario, Canada
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam
>> <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net <mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>> In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering
>> classes. "How to engineer all the value out." Some people did not
>> have enough sense it ignore the BS.
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam
>>
>> <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net <mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.
>>
>> I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax
>> VMS?? DX10
>> one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000,
>> TI 9900,
>> Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language.
>> With some
>> Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared
>> to XP.
>>
>> XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of
>> Microsoft's crap
>> OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108
>> systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that
>> could record
>> data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought
>> that to a
>> stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to maybe
>> 5,000
>> stations. :-{
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:
>> > I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I am/was a
>> > computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?
>> >
>> > I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing my own,
>> since 2011
>> > and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I have
>> two working
>> > computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the newest
>> and it is
>> > running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model
>> and runs XP.
>> > That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will keep up.
>> >
>> > Phil in TX
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, deanvp at att.net
>> <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>> >> James,
>> >>
>> >> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I marvel
>> at how many
>> >> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven by the
>> High Tech
>> >> industries
>> >> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the Oriental's
>> that were
>> >> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm sure
>> much of our
>> >> technical
>> >> knowledge is eventually ending up back in India.??
>> However, that
>> >> doesn't seem
>> >> to apply to those who work in the technical support groups
>> we call
>> >> for help.
>> >> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help
>> line for
>> >> anything.
>> >> First because they really don't know very much and
>> secondly their accent
>> >> combined with my loss of hearing makes understanding them
>> almost
>> >> impossible.
>> >> I will work Google search until I find the answer I'm
>> looking for. I
>> >> just
>> >> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I
>> changed from double
>> >> click to single click file opening on my mouse. Long
>> enough ago I had
>> >> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look
>> was on the
>> >> setup
>> >> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too
>> long and
>> >> finally I
>> >> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix it. Google
>> came to the
>> >> rescue.
>> >> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer, view,
>> options, change
>> >> options
>> >> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found that the
>> first time is
>> >> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple but
>> frustrating.
>> >>
>> >> Dean VP
>> >> Snohomish, WA 98290
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf Of
>> James Peck
>> >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM
>> >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
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>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
>> >>
>> >> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties.
>> The focus
>> >> then was
>> >> on making all components so they ended their life at 10
>> years. The items
>> >> that lasted longer were made too well.
>> >>
>> >> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled
>> every thing
>> >> with the
>> >> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The
>> auto world
>> >> had it
>> >> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet
>> emissions rules
>> >> that they
>> >> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg
>> contraptions were
>> >> designed
>> >> to that standard with predictable results.
>> >>
>> >> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the
>> cost savings
>> >> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers
>> have also
>> >> caught on
>> >> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for.
>> Where the above
>> >> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win.
>> China, like
>> >> Taiwan
>> >> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game.
>> Africa is
>> >> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a
>> bit but they
>> >> are
>> >> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far
>> behind China
>> >> into
>> >> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but
>> they have
>> >> a lot
>> >> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on
>> the job in
>> >> the US
>> >> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk period.
>> >>
>> >> .
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