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That collector wasn't by chance associated with a grocery store
chain was he? There was one not too far from you that supposedly had
a building full of green tractors, or so I was told 25 years ago by
a fellow at the Pfafftown show--said he saw them in person.<br>
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John Hall<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/2019 7:00 PM, Spencer Yost
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I am pretty sure the orchard fenders were not even standard on the
AO(and also an option for the AR at least early on), so I don’t
believe it was fenders.
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<div>The brakes others mentioned I didn’t even recall as
different but sounds likely. I was thinking exhaust but that
seems too inconsequential and so easily modified no one would
use that for definitive ID anyways.</div>
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<div>Inquiring minds want to know! I’m holding off Googling until
I hear the answer.</div>
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<div>When I was buying a lot of John Deere tractors for a
collector I worked for, me and the other guy doing the buying
buying could - between the two of us - tell you 95% of
everything you ever needed to know about John Deere tractors and
their subtle differences, idiosyncrasies and history. Now I
doubt I remember even half of it. Funny how it just slips away
when you stop using it.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting tractor which was made
for a very short period of time. Since we are seeing
who can pee the farthest, what was a very desirable
standard feature on the 1936 JD AO that was also
available on the 1936 AR as an option which sometimes
makes them hard to identify correctly ? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Moe Fretz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">Some
how we've gone from Antique Tractors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">To
discussing (bragging) about all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">the
engineering courses we've taken or should have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">To
offshore manufacturing quality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">To
the help line accents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">And
now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">Could
have, would have installed. up grading, what have
you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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much tractor related stuff in the last few days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">My
1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">It
does have any software needing to be upgraded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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help line available or needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">And
you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it
works.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Moe F<span class="gmaildefault"><span
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Ontario, Canada<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM
ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">In
the 70s we all had to take corporate value
engineering classes. "How to engineer all the value
out." Some people did not have enough sense it
ignore the BS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Windows 10 convinced me it
was time to retire.<br>
<br>
I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux
with some Vax VMS?? DX10 <br>
one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for
Motorola 68000, TI 9900, <br>
Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in
machine language. With some <br>
Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost
great compared to XP.<br>
<br>
XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse
of Microsoft's crap <br>
OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal
for Univac 1108 <br>
systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition
system that could record <br>
data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample
rate.?? XP brought that to a <br>
stand still. The network stack sucked we went
down to maybe 5,000 <br>
stations. :-{<br>
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On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:<br>
> I usually need to write stuff like that
down, and I am/was a <br>
> computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my
pencil?<br>
><br>
> I've been out of the computer biz,except
for fixing my own, since 2011 <br>
> and I am amazed how much it has changed
since then. I have two working <br>
> computers, both laptops. The one I am on
now is the newest and it is <br>
> running Vista (yuck). The other one is
about a 2006 model and runs XP. <br>
> That one I need to redo and load Linux so
it will keep up.<br>
><br>
> Phil in TX<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, <a
href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>
wrote:<br>
>> James,<br>
>><br>
>> ?? Every time I go shopping at the
local Costco I marvel at how many<br>
>> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm
sure driven by the High Tech <br>
>> industries<br>
>> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to
be the Oriental's that were<br>
>> predominate. Now it seems to be East
Indians. I'm sure much of our <br>
>> technical<br>
>> knowledge is eventually ending up back
in India.?? However, that <br>
>> doesn't seem<br>
>> to apply to those who work in the
technical support groups we call <br>
>> for help.<br>
>> I have completely given up on calling
any kind of help line for <br>
>> anything.<br>
>> First because they really don't know
very much and secondly their accent<br>
>> combined with my loss of hearing makes
understanding them almost <br>
>> impossible.<br>
>> I will work Google search until I find
the answer I'm looking for. I <br>
>> just<br>
>> went through that recently.?? Some time
in the past I changed from double<br>
>> click to single click file opening on
my mouse. Long enough ago I had<br>
>> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the
obvious place to look was on the <br>
>> setup<br>
>> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with
the change far too long and <br>
>> finally I<br>
>> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how
to fix it. Google came to the <br>
>> rescue.<br>
>> In Win 10. one has to get into File
Explorer, view, options, change <br>
>> options<br>
>> to get to that setting.?? How in the
hell I found that the first time is<br>
>> beyond me?? But all is now cool
again.???? Simple but frustrating.<br>
>><br>
>> Dean VP<br>
>> Snohomish, WA 98290<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: AT <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
On Behalf Of James Peck<br>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM<br>
>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion
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>> <<a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment<br>
>><br>
>> I worked for a GM division a little in
the late sixties. The focus <br>
>> then was<br>
>> on making all components so they ended
their life at 10 years. The items<br>
>> that lasted longer were made too well.<br>
>><br>
>> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when
efficiency experts ruled every thing <br>
>> with the<br>
>> bean counters. Cut cost and quality
were number one. The auto world <br>
>> had it<br>
>> worse than most because they suddenly
had to meet emissions rules <br>
>> that they<br>
>> didn't really know how to do and so
rube Goldberg contraptions were <br>
>> designed<br>
>> to that standard with predictable
results.<br>
>><br>
>> Modern just in time is often very
inefficient, but the cost savings<br>
>> elsewhere make it vastly more cost
effective. Consumers have also <br>
>> caught on<br>
>> to the idea that quality is sometimes
worth paying for. Where the above<br>
>> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom
that we can't win. China, like <br>
>> Taiwan<br>
>> and Japan before them is starting to
drop out of the game. Africa is<br>
>> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam
and Pakistan play a bit but they <br>
>> are<br>
>> not large enough and to beat China and
they are not far behind China <br>
>> into<br>
>> getting out of that hole. India could
win for a while, but they have <br>
>> a lot<br>
>> of smart people who know how to make
quality (training on the job in <br>
>> the US<br>
>> or Europe) and would rather skip the
cheap junk period.<br>
>><br>
>> .<br>
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