[AT] tractor hauling truck

Wed Nov 27 10:38:22 PST 2019

"cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent"   I'm not sure which F-150
trim level and powertrain you compare, nor for that matter which of three
versions of Cybertruck.  Nor whether Tesla's pricing is real.

"recharge more rapidly than they do now, and charging stations are
everywhere"    I'd like to be able to find charging stations on my chosen
route (vs choosing my route based on location of charging stations).  Then
I'd like to get up to say 80-ish percent capacity in say under 20 minutes,
which is a pretty reasonable rest break every few hours of driving.

We are not there yet, but I'll readily admit this is the in the
foreseeable future.

SO

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:40 AM Carl Baker or Kim Lessor <
hodor at warmrock.net> wrote:

> Stephen wrote: "Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and now trucks)
> until they cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more
> rapidly than they do now, and charging stations are everywhere.  I refuse
> to accept less convenience and less utility for higher cost."
>
> So, umm - now?  Tesla's truck is $10k less than a comparable F-150.
> Chevrolet's Bolt (car) is about $10k more than a comparable gas car.  My
> Nissan Leaf charges in the 5 seconds it takes me to plug it in when I get
> home.  I don't have to stand there and watch it charge.  I also refuse to
> accept less convenience and less utility for higher cost.  Which is why I'm
> converting my fleet from gas to electric as quickly as I can afford it (not
> very quickly).  Honestly, I'm keen to convert my old Ford tractor to
> electric.  I'm tired of schlepping gas from the gas station for it.  Or
> roading it to the gas station to fill it up.  Which I should probably do
> today - a storm is expected....
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 6:13 PM Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am sort of a Luddite.  Well, at least, I'm the opposite of an "early
>> adopter" consumer. Late adopter I guess?
>>
>> The idea of electric vehicles gives me range anxiety.  That's a real
>> thing, a concept explored by GM with their EV-1.  Remember that electric
>> car?  They built 1000 and leased them so they could get them all back. It
>> was a giant engineering experiment that I found brilliant.   But a whole
>> bunch of environmentalists who didn't grasp that concept hate GM to this
>> day because they couldn't keep their EV-1.  I guess they didn't read the
>> fine print.
>>
>> Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and now trucks) until they
>> cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more rapidly than
>> they do now, and charging stations are everywhere.  I refuse to accept less
>> convenience and less utility for higher cost.
>>
>> SO
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:42 PM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That trip range does not take into account running the air conditioner,
>>> heater, defroster, Wipers and lights....  My wife & I bought some Dewalt
>>> electric heated coats on sale a couple of years ago.  They were just barely
>>> more than the regular price of a battery and included a 12 and 115 volt
>>> charger and an adapter for USB to charge your phone.  They sold out along
>>> the east Coast for the folks using them to commute and could not keep warm
>>> in the Chevy Volt and Toyota Prius when running lights heater defroster and
>>> wipers in snow while commuting to work..
>>> When that cost per mile is figured in does it take into consideration
>>> the battery life and the replacement cost.  I talked to a Prius owner who
>>> had a 2 yr old one on the original battery and was looking to trade it in
>>> for a new one as the battery cost was a small fortune...
>>> On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc with EFI is the hardest thing
>>> on the place to start when the temp is under 45deg.    After the dealer
>>> tuning it up and changing oil, it still is the hardest thing to start on
>>> the planet...    I bought a couple of plugs this afternoon to make sure the
>>> dealer changed them....
>>> I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with A/C.  The more I deal with
>>> gasoline engines the more I want to convert them to propane or diesel.
>>> I'm thinking seriously of adapting my "new" skid steer to propane.  It has
>>> a VG4d Wisconsin.  I have an air cooled heat exchanger for up to 60hp.  The
>>> tank would add counterbalance weight.
>>> Cecil
>>> On 11/22/2019 5:44 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> I just wonder how many fully charged cell phones it will take to "limp
>>> it home" if it gets totally discharged.  😀
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:39 AM Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> LOL!  Agreed.  When I saw the "Tri-motor AWD" with sub 2.9 sec 0-60 and
>>>> a claimed 500 mi range, I was thinking that's got to be a huge battery and
>>>> expected Model-S level pricetag.
>>>>
>>>> My earlier comment assumes we have more than a few List members willing
>>>> to voice an opinion on newfangled electric vehicle technology.
>>>>
>>>> SO
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:32 AM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What?   Everyone needs a tractor hauling truck.   Even if it’s too
>>>>> fancy for its own good, is super ugly, has terrible range, and cost too
>>>>> much. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually the cost was a tad less than I expected.   I did notice the
>>>>> three engine/tow ratings were designed to approximate a half ton,
>>>>> three-quarter ton, and 1 ton trucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh boy... here we go... and Spencer started it!
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:13 AM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Super ugly:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I’m sure sometime in the next 4 to 6 years we will see one in
>>>>>> Portland with an antique tractor behind it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sure the range will stink while towing; at least at first. But
>>>>>> I’ll bet towing with electric motors would probably be pretty awesome.
>>>>>> Would not mind trying it once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer
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