<div dir="ltr">"cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent" I'm not sure which F-150 trim level and powertrain you compare, nor for that matter which of three versions of Cybertruck. Nor whether Tesla's pricing is real. <div><br></div><div>"recharge more rapidly than they do now, and charging stations are everywhere" I'd like to be able to find charging stations on my chosen route (vs choosing my route based on location of charging stations). Then I'd like to get up to say 80-ish percent capacity in say under 20 minutes, which is a pretty reasonable rest break every few hours of driving.</div><div><br></div><div>We are not there yet, but I'll readily admit this is the in the foreseeable future.</div><div><br></div><div>SO</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:40 AM Carl Baker or Kim Lessor <<a href="mailto:hodor@warmrock.net">hodor@warmrock.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Stephen wrote: "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and now trucks) until they cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more rapidly than they do now, and charging stations are everywhere. I refuse to accept less convenience and less utility for higher cost."</span><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">So, umm - now? Tesla's truck is $10k less than a comparable F-150. Chevrolet's Bolt (car) is about $10k more than a comparable gas car. My Nissan Leaf charges in the 5 seconds it takes me to plug it in when I get home. I don't have to stand there and watch it charge. I also refuse to accept less convenience and less utility for higher cost. Which is why I'm converting my fleet from gas to electric as quickly as I can afford it (not very quickly). Honestly, I'm keen to convert my old Ford tractor to electric. I'm tired of schlepping gas from the gas station for it. Or roading it to the gas station to fill it up. Which I should probably do today - a storm is expected....</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 6:13 PM Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I am sort of a Luddite. Well, at least, I'm the opposite of an "early adopter" consumer. Late adopter I guess?<div><br></div><div>The idea of electric vehicles gives me range anxiety. That's a real thing, a concept explored by GM with their EV-1. Remember that electric car? They built 1000 and leased them so they could get them all back. It was a giant engineering experiment that I found brilliant. But a whole bunch of environmentalists who didn't grasp that concept hate GM to this day because they couldn't keep their EV-1. I guess they didn't read the fine print.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and now trucks) until they cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more rapidly than they do now, and charging stations are everywhere. I refuse to accept less convenience and less utility for higher cost.</div><div><br></div><div>SO</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:42 PM Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>That trip range does not take into account running the air
conditioner, heater, defroster, Wipers and lights.... My wife
& I bought some Dewalt electric heated coats on sale a couple
of years ago. They were just barely more than the regular price
of a battery and included a 12 and 115 volt charger and an adapter
for USB to charge your phone. They sold out along the east Coast
for the folks using them to commute and could not keep warm in the
Chevy Volt and Toyota Prius when running lights heater defroster
and wipers in snow while commuting to work.. <br>
When that cost per mile is figured in does it take into
consideration the battery life and the replacement cost. I talked
to a Prius owner who had a 2 yr old one on the original battery
and was looking to trade it in for a new one as the battery cost
was a small fortune...<br>
On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc with EFI is the hardest
thing on the place to start when the temp is under 45deg. After
the dealer tuning it up and changing oil, it still is the hardest
thing to start on the planet... I bought a couple of plugs this
afternoon to make sure the dealer changed them....<br>
I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with A/C. The more I deal
with gasoline engines the more I want to convert them to propane
or diesel. I'm thinking seriously of adapting my "new" skid
steer to propane. It has a VG4d Wisconsin. I have an air cooled
heat exchanger for up to 60hp. The tank would add counterbalance
weight.<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>I just wonder how many fully charged cell phones it will
take to "limp it home" if it gets totally discharged. 😀</div>
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<div dir="ltr">LOL! Agreed. When I saw the "Tri-motor AWD"
with sub 2.9 sec 0-60 and a claimed 500 mi range, I was
thinking that's got to be a huge battery and expected
Model-S level pricetag.
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<div>My earlier comment assumes we have more than a few List
members willing to voice an opinion on newfangled electric
vehicle technology.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at
11:32 AM Spencer Yost <<a href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com" target="_blank">spencer@rdfarms.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">What? Everyone needs a tractor hauling
truck. Even if it’s too fancy for its own good, is
super ugly, has terrible range, and cost too much. :-)
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<div>Actually the cost was a tad less than I expected.
I did notice the three engine/tow ratings were
designed to approximate a half ton, three-quarter
ton, and 1 ton trucks.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Oh boy... here we go... and
Spencer started it!
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov
22, 2019 at 11:13 AM Spencer Yost <<a href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com" target="_blank">spencer@rdfarms.com</a>>
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ugly:<br>
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<a href="https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery</a><br>
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But I’m sure sometime in the next 4 to 6
years we will see one in Portland with an
antique tractor behind it.<br>
<br>
I’m sure the range will stink while towing;
at least at first. But I’ll bet towing with
electric motors would probably be pretty
awesome. Would not mind trying it once.<br>
<br>
Spencer<br>
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