[AT] AT Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30
Frank DeWitt
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Thu Mar 28 15:35:47 PDT 2019
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Frank DeWitt
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> 1. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (Cecil Bearden)
> 2. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (James Peck)
> 3. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (James Peck)
> 4. Re: Hitch broke on first tractor trailer. It's long but there
> is a point... (Cecil Bearden)
> 5. FW: towing tractors with a pickup (James Peck)
> 6. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (Cecil Bearden)
> 7. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (James Peck)
> 8. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (James Peck)
> 9. Re: FW: towing tractors with a pickup (Brian VanDragt)
> 10. Re: FW: towing tractors with a pickup (Indiana Robinson)
> 11. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (Ralph Goff)
> 12. Re: FW: towing tractors with a pickup (toma at risingnet.net)
> 13. Re: towing tractors with a pickup (Brian VanDragt)
> 14. Re: FW: towing tractors with a pickup (Brad)
> 15. Re: Hitch broke on first tractor trailer. It's long but there
> is a point... (Phil Auten)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 23:15:51 -0500
> From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] towing tractors with a pickup
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> In 1962 my Dad towed our TO-35 Massey Ferguson 54 miles behind my
> Uncle's 58 Chevrolet Pickup.? Over 25mph it wold start bouncing and go
> all over the road and start jerking the pickup.? Sort of the tail
> wagging the dog...?? When it went back to the farm we hauled it on a
> trailer.
>
> Cecil
>
>> On 3/27/2019 2:03 PM, Brian VanDragt wrote:
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>> My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.? See attachment.
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>> Brian
>>
>>> On March 27, 2019 at 11:24 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> I do not know at what speed I would tow a tractor with a tow bar.
>>> Looks a lot easier than loading it on a trailer for short distances.
>>>
>>> https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=3542#
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> Using a homemade or commercially made tow bar? I bet it is cheaper than loading it on a semi. Those rubber treads are street legal. I bet that there are routes he can not take.
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> [Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.? See attachment.
>
> [James Peck] I do not know at what speed I would tow a tractor with a tow bar. Looks a lot easier than loading it on a trailer for short distances.
>
> https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=3542
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 04:56:31 +0000
> From: James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
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> Sounds like that wide front was out of alignment. Did the tow bar span the whole front axle?
>
> [Cecil Bearden] In 1962 my Dad towed our TO-35 Massey Ferguson 54 miles behind my Uncle's 58 Chevrolet Pickup.? Over 25 mph it world start bouncing and go all over the road and start jerking the pickup.? Sort of the tail wagging the dog...?? When it went back to the farm we hauled it on a trailer.?
>
> [ Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.? See attachment.
>
> [James Peck] do not know at what speed I would tow a tractor with a tow bar. Looks a lot easier than loading it on a trailer for short distances.
>
> https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=3542
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 23:58:52 -0500
> From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Hitch broke on first tractor trailer. It's long but
> there is a point...
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> I have a trailer that my Dad & I built in 1971.? We bought it from a
> farmer about 60 Mi NE of OKC and drug it home.? It had jeep wheels and
> axles.? It was made from the old Military trailer axles.? We widened it
> to haul a Massey Farm tractor along with lengthening the axles. It had
> one axle with hydraulic brakes and we welded an Atwood "run-up" hitch to
> actuate the brakes.? About 10 years later the axles were bent and we
> upgraded to 7000# axles with 8 hole wheels one axle with brakes and
> again using the old Atwood hitch with a 2"ball.?? This trailer has been
> to Canada once in addition to one trip to Chicago and all surrounding
> states. The loads it has carried have been enormous.? The tongue weight
> was exceeded many times.?? When the original wooden floor rotted out we
> floored it with steel from old Sohio oil tanks, and covered the tires
> with home built fenders from oilfield sucker rod and tank steel. ? I
> built floor level side rails from 2-7/8 drill pipe and reinforced the
> tongue with a piece of drill pipe. ? In the last 10 years the hitch
> became worn and the braking feature? was not working.
>
> Since I get a discount from Etrailer.com, last fall I Ordered a new
> 20,000# pintle style hitch and jack to replace the old 2in ball Atwood
> hitch.? Due to water leaks, cold weather, and tractor problems, the
> hitch is still sitting in the shed.
> Today I had to haul 3200# of sacked oats to our farm about 60 miles
> south of home.? I hooked up to the old trailer with my? new to me 2011
> Silverado 4wd crew cab long bed.? The nicest vehicle I have ever owned.
> ? After airing up the tires, I loaded up the 2 pallets of oats and
> headed south.? We unloaded the pallets at the farm and I had bought a
> Lincoln Ranger 8 on a tandem trailer a few weeks ago and since the tires
> were bad, I left it at the neighbor's place at the south farm until I
> could haul it home.? We loaded it on the trailer today and I headed
> home.? While backing up in the pasture later, I jackknifed the trailer
> and bent the bumper on my pickup.? Needless to say I was upset.? I
> headed out toward the road, and felt a bump like the tailgate dropped.?
> I checked the trailer and found the hitch had bent and partially broke
> just in front of the actuator on the hitch.?? I thought I could make it
> the 1 mile to the neighbor's place and leave the trailer.? I only made
> it about 600ft before the hitch broke and hit the ground.? The safety
> chains did their job.
>
> My neighbor brought his 2755 JD and picked up the front of the trailer
> by the safety chains and drug it to his place.? The hitch coupler was
> still attached to the ball.
>
> When I unhooked the coupler, one side of the coupler had been broken for
> a long time, the break was very rusty.?? Only half of the coupler was
> holding, the bushing hole for the actuator was broken through the hole.
>
> I still regret very much tearing up the rear bumper and fender on my
> truck, I am peeved at getting distracted while backing and at the
> expense of repairs.? However, if I had not had that mishap, I would not
> have known the coupler was broken.? If it had broken farther from home
> or help, I would have been in an expensive fix to get help and get it
> hauled home off the road. ? ? Also, if it had broken while at high speed
> and hit another vehicle,? it could have resulted in a loss of life or at
> the least 10 years of higher insurance rates.
>
> My Mother used to say everything always works out for the best, and if
> my Dad was still here he would have said I was lucky it happened where
> it did.? I certainly was!
>
> I tell you guys this to encourage you to check your hitches on your
> trailers.? We all use them, but I know how we usually just latch it,
> hook up the chains and go.? Also, make sure those safety chains are
> heavy enough, mine were ex military safety chains, and they certainly
> paid off....
>
> Cecil
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 05:01:13 +0000
> From: James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
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> Agco bought the Challenger line from Caterpillar in 2001. Your dads must be a 2001 or earlier.
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> [Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.? See attachment.
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 00:04:15 -0500
> From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
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> You could align it all day long, but with those balloon tires on the
> rear and Oklahoma's rough roads, it was a prescription for disaster.?
> The tow bar was very heavy and hooked in the holes in the adjustable
> axle.? Tractors are unstable at more than 20mph.? I had a Moline G1000
> that would run 30mph, but when it got to bouncing you could not hold it
> in the road..? The short wheelbase combined with the big tires are just
> not something you tow at high speeds.
>
> Cecil
>
>> On 3/27/2019 11:56 PM, James Peck wrote:
>> Sounds like that wide front was out of alignment. Did the tow bar span the whole front axle?
>>
>> [Cecil Bearden] In 1962 my Dad towed our TO-35 Massey Ferguson 54 miles behind my Uncle's 58 Chevrolet Pickup.? Over 25 mph it world start bouncing and go all over the road and start jerking the pickup.? Sort of the tail wagging the dog...?? When it went back to the farm we hauled it on a trailer.
>>
>> [ Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.? See attachment.
>>
>> [James Peck] do not know at what speed I would tow a tractor with a tow bar. Looks a lot easier than loading it on a trailer for short distances.
>>
>> https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=3542
>>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:37:02 +0000
> From: James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [AT] towing tractors with a pickup
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> Back around the winter of early 64 (I think) I was part of a group staying at a camp for the weekend. This is back when the ground would be snow covered for several months each winter. The camp was near the bottom of a long dirt road hill covered with packed snow. We had all brought sleds, even the girls, and were sledding on this hill and others.
>
> Some locals had a big sit erect steerable wooden sled. They were pulling the sled (I never saw this part) with a big yellow wide front Minneapolis Moline. They were apparently dropping the tow rope and then the tractor would run ahead of the sled down the hill. If you were belly slamming down that hill and heard the tractor it was time to get off to the side. You wanted to stay clear of the big sled as well which was only seconds behind. The tractor was used to tow the sled back up.
>
> Minneapolis Moline and bigger tractors were uncommon in the area. It was the only one of that model I had ever seen.
>
> It might have been this one. Production years are right.
>
> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/9/7/976-minneapolis-moline-g705-photos.html
>
> I always wondered about that tractor being faster than the sled. This link does show at 27.5 mph top speed for the G705.
>
> Back in the early nineties I was working on a project to get some hydraulic presses for SRIM (Structural Reaction Injection Molding) equipment into a GM plant in Matamoros. The equipment was intended to mold Corvette bumpers. I got into a discussion with a man who had once worked in the engineering department of Minneapolis Moline. This discussion had to do with the quantity and size of the bolts holding up the upper platen.
>
> [Cecil Bearden] You could align it all day long, but with those balloon tires on the rear and Oklahoma's rough roads, it was a prescription for disaster. The tow bar was very heavy and hooked in the holes in the adjustable axle.? Tractors are unstable at more than 20 mph.? I had a Moline G1000 that would run 30 mph, but when it got to bouncing you could not hold it in the road..? The short wheelbase combined with the big tires are just not something you tow at high speeds.
>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:49:28 +0000
> From: James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
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> To get their higher top speed, JCB use a full suspension.
>
> https://www.jcb.dk/en/new-machines/fastrac/
>
> [Cecil Bearden] You could align it all day long, but with those balloon tires on the rear and Oklahoma's rough roads, it was a prescription for disaster. The tow bar was very heavy and hooked in the holes in the adjustable axle.? Tractors are unstable at more than 20 mph.? I had a Moline G1000 that would run 30 mph, but when it got to bouncing you could not hold it in the road..? The short wheelbase combined with the big tires are just not something you tow at high speeds.
>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:06:49 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Brian VanDragt <bvandragt at comcast.net>
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> Yeah, it's been around a while, I don't know the year. It was originally used on a sugar beet farm in Michigan's thumb. Dad bought it through our Cat dealer in Grand Rapids. The original rear wheels couldn't stand up to scraper duty and started cracking from the outside edges of the steel rims. The replacements (from Cat) were much heavier duty with the outer edges of the rims rolled over into a tube shape. The track bands have also been replaced with heavier duty ones than original.
>
> Brian
>
>> On March 28, 2019 at 1:01 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Agco bought the Challenger line from Caterpillar in 2001. Your dads must be a 2001 or earlier.
>>
>> [Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper. See attachment.
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> From: Indiana Robinson <robinson46176 at gmail.com>
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> I have tow bars for both my Farmall Super M and my Super MTA. Very easy to
> make for them.
> I have towed the Super M (has a loader and 3 point) to the mini-farm in the
> next county (about 15 miles) for work there. When I got there I had the
> truck loaded with needed tools and the loader and grader blade.
> One year I towed both tractors at one time to a tractor show at the county
> fairgrounds in town (only 3 miles). On that trip I caught the eye of a city
> police officer who followed me to the fairgrounds, looked over what I had
> and we had a friendly chat and he left. He said that he was just curious
> since he had never seen anything like that before and wondered where I was
> going.
> The downside to towing instead of trailering is dealing with rough pavement
> and the need for reduced speeds especially on rough pavement and lower
> speeds on main roads than other traffic. Obviously I would never tow on the
> interstate... That would not be a friendly visit. :-)
> The suspension on a trailer is a lot easier on a tractor than towing it.
> Years ago (mid 1950's) the local fertilizer business was towing a Farmall
> Super M and an anhydrous applicator using a little "cart" that held the
> front wheels of a tricycle tractor chained down. Back then they did a lot
> of custom application.
> Today the scary towing going on is fertilizer dealer employees pulling two
> full anhydrous nurse tank wagons behind a pickup running 50 MPH. That and
> the guys (and a few women) towing two 300 bushel hopper wagons at near
> highway speeds behind a stock 1/2 ton pickup.
>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:01 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agco bought the Challenger line from Caterpillar in 2001. Your dads must
>> be a 2001 or earlier.
>>
>> [Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.
>> See attachment.
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> Central Indiana USA
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:15:41 -0600
> From: Ralph Goff <alfg at sasktel.net>
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>> On 3/28/2019 8:37 AM, James Peck wrote:
>> Back around the winter of early 64 (I think) I was part of a group staying at a camp for the weekend. This is back when the ground would be snow covered for several months each winter. The camp was near the bottom of a long dirt road hill covered with packed snow. We had all brought sleds, even the girls, and were sledding on this hill and others.
>>
>> Some locals had a big sit erect steerable wooden sled. They were pulling the sled (I never saw this part) with a big yellow wide front Minneapolis Moline. They were apparently dropping the tow rope and then the tractor would run ahead of the sled down the hill. If you were belly slamming down that hill and heard the tractor it was time to get off to the side. You wanted to stay clear of the big sled as well which was only seconds behind. The tractor was used to tow the sled back up.
>>
>> Minneapolis Moline and bigger tractors were uncommon in the area. It was the only one of that model I had ever seen.
>>
>> It might have been this one. Production years are right.
>>
>> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/9/7/976-minneapolis-moline-g705-photos.html
>
> A neighbour had a slightly older model MM G6 years ago. Had installed
> duals (18.4x34) for traction and floatation. They had a fast road gear.
> He had a serious accident with it towing a fold up 36 foot rod weeder. A
> rear axle broke and he was lucky not to have been seriously injured. The
> cab on the tractor likely saved him from the rod weeder. Seems like some
> of those early tractors did not have the axle strength for duals. Heard
> of a 930 Case breaking axles with duals too.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:16:16 +0300
> From: toma at risingnet.net
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> We pull started my D4 by towing with my pickup the other day. Does that count?
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> Sent from myMail for Android Thursday, 28 March 2019, 08:12AM -07:00 from Indiana Robinson robinson46176 at gmail.com :
>
>> I have tow bars for both my Farmall Super M and my Super MTA. Very easy to make for them.
>> I have towed the Super M (has a loader and 3 point) to the mini-farm in the next county (about 15 miles) for work there. When I got there I had the truck loaded with needed tools and the loader and grader blade.
>> One year I towed both tractors at one time to a tractor show at the county fairgrounds in town (only 3 miles). On that trip I caught the eye of a city police officer who followed me to the fairgrounds, looked over what I had and we had a friendly chat and he left. He said that he was just curious since he had never seen anything like that before and wondered where I was going.
>> The downside to towing instead of trailering is dealing with rough pavement and the need for reduced speeds especially on rough pavement and lower speeds on main roads than other traffic. Obviously I would never tow on the interstate...? That would not be a friendly visit.? :-)
>> The suspension on a trailer is a lot easier on a tractor than towing it.
>> Years ago (mid 1950's) the local fertilizer business was towing a Farmall Super M and an anhydrous applicator using a little "cart" that held the front wheels of a tricycle tractor chained down. Back then they did a lot of custom application.
>> Today the scary towing going on is fertilizer dealer employees pulling two full anhydrous nurse tank wagons behind a pickup running 50 MPH. That and the guys (and a few women) towing two 300 bushel hopper wagons at near highway speeds behind a stock 1/2 ton pickup.
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:01 AM James Peck < jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Agco bought the Challenger line from Caterpillar in 2001. Your dads must be a 2001 or earlier.
>>>
>>> [Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.? See attachment.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
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>> Francis Robinson
>> aka "farmer"
>> Central Indiana USA
>> robinson46176 at gmail.com
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> From: Brian VanDragt <bvandragt at comcast.net>
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> The scraper has a hitch receiver welded to the back of it and the tow bar is commercially made. I believe it was bought at an RV dealer who installed the mounts on the truck. The tractor and scraper would have to be hauled separately on a semi trailer, so it's faster to drive it than to take a half of a day moving both pieces. The tractor stays on jobs for weeks at a time so he brings the truck behind it so he can get back home. As far as I know, it can be driven anywhere a wheeled tractor can, which is anywhere except an interstate highway. Its been on county and state highways, but mostly on country back roads. All you need is a slow moving vehicle sign.
> Brian
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>> On March 28, 2019 at 12:48 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Using a homemade or commercially made tow bar? I bet it is cheaper than loading it on a semi. Those rubber treads are street legal. I bet that there are routes he can not take.
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>> [Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and scraper.? See attachment.
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>> [James Peck] I do not know at what speed I would tow a tractor with a tow bar. Looks a lot easier than loading it on a trailer for short distances.
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>> https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=3542
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:34:02 -0700
> From: Brad <bwiebelhaus at cox.net>
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> Subject: Re: [AT] FW: towing tractors with a pickup
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> Sunday I saw a farmer pulling a large New Holland 4x4 tractor and hay
> bailer both through city roads. Guess it worked.
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> Brad
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>> On 3/28/2019 8:11 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>> I have tow bars for both my Farmall Super M and my Super MTA. Very
>> easy to make for them.
>> I have towed the Super M (has a loader and 3 point) to the mini-farm
>> in the next county (about 15 miles) for work there. When I got there I
>> had the truck loaded with needed tools and the loader and grader blade.
>> One year I towed both tractors at one time to a tractor show at the
>> county fairgrounds in town (only 3 miles). On that trip I caught the
>> eye of a city police officer who followed me to the fairgrounds,
>> looked over what I had and we had a friendly chat and he left. He said
>> that he was just curious since he had never seen anything like that
>> before and wondered where I was going.
>> The downside to towing instead of trailering is dealing with rough
>> pavement and the need for reduced speeds especially on rough pavement
>> and lower speeds on main roads than other traffic. Obviously I would
>> never tow on the interstate... That would not be a friendly visit.? :-)
>> The suspension on a trailer is a lot easier on a tractor than towing it.
>> Years ago (mid 1950's) the local fertilizer business was towing a
>> Farmall Super M and an anhydrous applicator using a little "cart" that
>> held the front wheels of a tricycle tractor chained down. Back then
>> they did a lot of custom application.
>> Today the scary towing going on is fertilizer dealer employees pulling
>> two full anhydrous nurse tank wagons behind a pickup running 50 MPH.
>> That and the guys (and a few women) towing two 300 bushel hopper
>> wagons at near highway speeds behind a stock 1/2 ton pickup.
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>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:01 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Agco bought the Challenger line from Caterpillar in 2001. Your
>> dads must be a 2001 or earlier.
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>> [Brian VanDragt] My dad tows his truck behind the tractor, and
>> scraper.? See attachment.
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>> Francis Robinson
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>> Central Indiana USA
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> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:30:13 -0500
> From: Phil Auten <pga2 at basicisp.net>
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Hitch broke on first tractor trailer. It's long but
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> As my old and dearly departed huntin' buddy McNabb used to say, "we're
> too soon old and too late smart". We all need to learn from Cecil's very
> fortunate accident and heed his advice. I am just as guilty as any of us
> about just hitching up my trailer and heading out. I guess about all I
> check is the lights. No more. Before I use it again I will do a thorough
> check for visible problems and fix them, or postpone using it until the
> problems can be fixed right. Thanks for sharing, Cecil, and sorry about
> your truck. BTDT.
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> Phil in TX
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>> On 3/27/2019 11:58 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>> I have a trailer that my Dad & I built in 1971.? We bought it from a
>> farmer about 60 Mi NE of OKC and drug it home.? It had jeep wheels and
>> axles.? It was made from the old Military trailer axles.? We widened
>> it to haul a Massey Farm tractor along with lengthening the axles. It
>> had one axle with hydraulic brakes and we welded an Atwood "run-up"
>> hitch to actuate the brakes.? About 10 years later the axles were bent
>> and we upgraded to 7000# axles with 8 hole wheels one axle with brakes
>> and again using the old Atwood hitch with a 2"ball.?? This trailer has
>> been to Canada once in addition to one trip to Chicago and all
>> surrounding states. The loads it has carried have been enormous.? The
>> tongue weight was exceeded many times.?? When the original wooden
>> floor rotted out we floored it with steel from old Sohio oil tanks,
>> and covered the tires with home built fenders from oilfield sucker rod
>> and tank steel. ? I built floor level side rails from 2-7/8 drill pipe
>> and reinforced the tongue with a piece of drill pipe. ? In the last 10
>> years the hitch became worn and the braking feature? was not working.
>>
>> Since I get a discount from Etrailer.com, last fall I Ordered a new
>> 20,000# pintle style hitch and jack to replace the old 2in ball Atwood
>> hitch.? Due to water leaks, cold weather, and tractor problems, the
>> hitch is still sitting in the shed.
>> Today I had to haul 3200# of sacked oats to our farm about 60 miles
>> south of home.? I hooked up to the old trailer with my? new to me 2011
>> Silverado 4wd crew cab long bed.? The nicest vehicle I have ever
>> owned. ? After airing up the tires, I loaded up the 2 pallets of oats
>> and headed south.? We unloaded the pallets at the farm and I had
>> bought a Lincoln Ranger 8 on a tandem trailer a few weeks ago and
>> since the tires were bad, I left it at the neighbor's place at the
>> south farm until I could haul it home.? We loaded it on the trailer
>> today and I headed home.? While backing up in the pasture later, I
>> jackknifed the trailer and bent the bumper on my pickup.? Needless to
>> say I was upset.? I headed out toward the road, and felt a bump like
>> the tailgate dropped.? I checked the trailer and found the hitch had
>> bent and partially broke just in front of the actuator on the hitch.??
>> I thought I could make it the 1 mile to the neighbor's place and leave
>> the trailer.? I only made it about 600ft before the hitch broke and
>> hit the ground.? The safety chains did their job.
>>
>> My neighbor brought his 2755 JD and picked up the front of the trailer
>> by the safety chains and drug it to his place.? The hitch coupler was
>> still attached to the ball.
>>
>> When I unhooked the coupler, one side of the coupler had been broken
>> for a long time, the break was very rusty.?? Only half of the coupler
>> was holding, the bushing hole for the actuator was broken through the
>> hole.
>>
>> I still regret very much tearing up the rear bumper and fender on my
>> truck, I am peeved at getting distracted while backing and at the
>> expense of repairs.? However, if I had not had that mishap, I would
>> not have known the coupler was broken.? If it had broken farther from
>> home or help, I would have been in an expensive fix to get help and
>> get it hauled home off the road. ? ? Also, if it had broken while at
>> high speed and hit another vehicle,? it could have resulted in a loss
>> of life or at the least 10 years of higher insurance rates.
>>
>> My Mother used to say everything always works out for the best, and if
>> my Dad was still here he would have said I was lucky it happened where
>> it did.? I certainly was!
>>
>> I tell you guys this to encourage you to check your hitches on your
>> trailers.? We all use them, but I know how we usually just latch it,
>> hook up the chains and go.? Also, make sure those safety chains are
>> heavy enough, mine were ex military safety chains, and they certainly
>> paid off....
>>
>> Cecil
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