[AT] OT don't take any Buffalo Nickels
Cecil Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Sun Jun 23 11:30:57 PDT 2019
When I was in pre high school, I had both french and latin courses. In
High school I represented my school at a regional contest in foreign
languages in french. If only that effort had been spent in Spanish, it
would be worthwhile. Now at my age I cannot find the time of brain
capacity to learn spanish. I only wish I had taken spanish so I could
converse with my Mexican friends and workers..
Cecil
On 6/23/2019 1:02 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>
> Mt Ramble…I came from a home where two languages were spoken. Dutch
> and English. Our parents spoke Dutch when they didn’t want us kids to
> know what they were talking about. So… by necessity we learned the
> language enough to understand what was being said. But… we didn’t let
> on that we had learned. Jokes were often spoken in Dutch as that
> seemed an easier way to express themselves. Dutch words were used to
> describe something that came easier than English. When I was very
> young the Churches offered two services in the morning. A Dutch
> service and an English service. The minister needed to be bi-lingual.
> It was not uncommon for meal prayers to be spoken in Dutch and Dutch
> bibles were seen often. So it was not uncommon to hear a conversation
> that mixed Dutch and English together. Unfortunately after moving
> away from home after I was 18 I lost most of my ability to understand
> Dutch when it is spoken. I never really learned to speak it other than
> some broken sentences. It was funny however, when we toured Europe
> while in Holland and Germany and even Austria it was amazing how soon
> some of the word recognition came back almost being able to understand
> whole sentences and meanings of the sentences. This was even after
> being away from the Dutch language for over 40 years. It was
> especially helpful when I got lost in the medieval town of Innsbruck,
> Austria. We were on a bus tour and the bus had just dropped us off at
> a hotel and I had run out of VHS tape (tells you how long ago It was).
>
> So took off down the street to find a place where I could buy some
> more tapes. The streets are narrow with many really old multi story
> buildings on each side. I had a mission and I was going to complete it
> in the shortest possible time. So I walked and walked deeper into the
> city trying to find some kind of store that sold the tapes. I finally
> found one that had Japanese branded tapes that were common then. So I
> brought them to the counter to pay. Reached in my bill fold and all I
> had were German Marks. Well the clerk who spoke broken English was
> able to make the conversion with her broken English and my slight
> understanding of her German/Austrian language. I was also trying to
> make the conversion from Austrian Marks to German Marks to American
> dollars so I knew if I was paying a reasonable amount for these
> Japanese tapes. It turned out it came out to be about $7 a tape so it
> wasn’t a crazy price. So after completing our
> Japanese/German/Austrian/ American transaction I went back out on the
> street to return back to the hotel.
>
> I then suddenly realized I had no idea where I was relative to the
> Hotel and for the life of me could not remember the name of the Hotel.
> And this was when I was much younger and could remember things and
> didn’t have senior moments. I got a little panicky. Here I was in
> Austria, didn’t speak Austrian, and didn’t know how to get back to my
> hotel which I couldn’t remember the name of. That be truly lost. So
> went back into the shop I had jut purchased the tapes because she and
> I had been able to hold a conversation together even though I had a
> very limited understanding of the local language but she had a better
> understanding of English. She asked me to describe the exterior of the
> Hotel. I couldn’t. I then remembered there was a very modern building
> directly across the street that stood out because it was so different.
> I was able to describe that building with some specificity and she
> immediately knew what hotel I was staying at . It turned out the new
> building was the New Post Office. So then she put directions on a
> piece of paper with street names to get me back to the hotel. I gave
> her another $5 tip which she didn’t want but I left it anyway. I
> made it back to the Hotel and took a good look at what it looked like
> and memorized the name. It was kind of embarrassing. Modern
> architecture really stands out against several hundred year old other
> buildings. And no they were not made of cinderblock or cement blocks
> or concrete blocks. They were either real bricks and mortar or rocks
> and mortar. And yes they did slow down the wind. But I wasn’t there
> for the Winter Olympics either to find out.
>
> PS: I now have a habit of stopping before I go into any hotel I stay
> at, making sure I remember the name of it and what it looks like. My
> little Austrian experience left an indelible mark. My wife loses her
> sense of direction very easily. I usually don’t but when at the
> Classic Green Reunion in Grand island just a week ago I was off by 90
> degrees for a while and that is very confusing. But… I was able to
> observe over 580 Green Antique tractors (obligatory tractor reference)
> and implements at the show. Very good display from 1918 Waterloo Boy
> to two cylinder stuff, to 12 row combines.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Indiana Robinson
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:53 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] OT don't take any Buffalo Nickels
>
> I find this discussion a little surprising... I was taught in about
> the 6th grade (in a small rural school in the 1950's) that what we all
> call buffalo are really scientifically true bison and that early
> explorers were just guessing as to what they were. It was much like
> them thinking at first that this was the far side of the world and
> them calling everybody "Indians". The name just stuck and so did buffalo.
>
> Even back when I was in school it was understood that most people
> would probably always continue to call them buffalo in casual
> conservation and I still do. By the time I learned that they were
> really bison I had already learned the words dog, cat, cow etc. and
> bison was a strange sounding name to me.
>
> Languages are funny things... Always evolving but not always in a good
> way. I have a few pet peeves from more recent years about how people
> butcher things. I watch a lot of DIY stuff and keep saying (mostly to
> the TV screen) "No, that is not ship-lap. Every old 8" board is not
> ship-lap!" or "No that is not a "cinder block! It is either a cement
> block or a concrete block... It is only a cinder block if it was
> produced using cinders for the aggregate and very few of those are
> being produced these days."
>
> Rambling farther off track (not a cinder track). :-)
>
> When Diana and I got married in June 1963 we rented a small house at
> the edge of town for a year and a half that was on a full basement all
> made of actual cinder block. When that first winter came along I got a
> real shock. The cinders were quite coarse and the block walls were not
> even close to being air tight. When the winter winds began to howl you
> could not heat the basement. If you lit a candle (I really did) and
> held it next to the west wall on a high wind day it would blow the
> candle out.
>
> Speaking of languages, we have become friends with a Greek family who
> have a local gyro based restaurant (pronounced ˈyērō). Really nice
> family. We were eating there a day or two ago and a lady and I believe
> her daughter sat a the booth behind me and were chatting. I wasn't
> sure what language they were speaking but it wasn't English. When
> things slowed down our friends came out to visit with them and I
> realized that that they had been chatting in Greek. It was a happy
> visit for the 4 of them and I had to chuckle a few times as they
> talked listening to them as all 4 of them flip-flopped from Greek to
> English over and over again. It was maybe about 60% Greek and 40%
> English. Our friends are quite good at English so it was funny hearing
> the sudden shift from rapid fire Greek to a perfectly enunciated full
> sentence or more in English then instantly back to Greek. I can only
> assume that some thoughts just might be easier to express in English
> and some easier in Greek. We have some Chinese friends but they always
> speak all Chinese or all English. We also have Hispanic friends and
> family and they also speak mostly all one or the other. I have always
> wished I could learn other languages but while I have learned many
> thing in my time, other languages are just not a big part of my skill
> set. I do speak American English, British English, Australian English
> and a little New Zealand English... :-) I do also speak a little
> dog, cat and horse.
>
> .
>
> Dang! I'm getting burned out on daily raining... Crops are all over
> the place in quality and some fields are still not planted and still
> standing water. One problem with a really wet spring here is that if
> the ground stays too wet too long the corn will not put down many deep
> roots then if it suddenly turns very dry it doesn't have a root system
> deep enough to get good moisture. If that happens the guys that use
> irrigation here may benefit from its use.
>
> It's been "interesting" with these everyday rains going past the local
> Whitecastle joint in a down pour of rain and seeing their sprinkler
> system running. It must be under "corporate control".
>
> .
>
> .
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:59 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com
> <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I am a fan of the Lonesome Dove series, both the books and the
> miniseries, and even have been to one of the filming sites. One
> main character is Buffalo Hump. Maybe we can get author Larry
> McMurtry to rename him.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Hump
>
> The book 'War Of a Thousand Deserts" gives the Comanches credit
> for discombobulating Mexico enough for the US to win the 1846 war.
>
> https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300158373/war-thousand-deserts
>
> [James Peck] I was on a work related trip to a location along the
> old Erie Railroad right of way in western New York about 10 years
> ago and heard a man rant about the shortcomings of English
> speakers. He was upset that Beau Fleur had become Buffalo. This
> source says that is fake info.
>
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100616152325AAZECYp
>
> [Dean VP Snohomish, WA 98290] I'm sure "Buffalo Bill might
> disagree with this. 😊
>
> [szabelski at wildblue.net <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> The
> correct terminology is “BISON”. Bison are members of the bovine
> group “BUFFALO”. Bison are native to North and South America.
> Buffalo are native to Africa and Asia ( i.e.: Water Buffalo, etc).
>
> [James Peck] I was in a place where the TV was playing "Highway
> Through Hell" a few days ago. They were towing and removing
> vehicles and big loads on the Alaskan Highway. When they drove by
> a herd of what my first instinct would be to call "Buffalo", the
> Canadian accented truckers called them "Bison".
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_bison
>
> The show had some WW2 shots of tracked tractors pulling pan
> scrapers in the building of the highway.
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Thru_Hell
>
>
> [Ralph] <snip>The bison herd are being fed a hay bale or two
> fairly regularly as the grass can't keep up with them. <snip>
>
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