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<p>When I was in pre high school, I had both french and latin
courses. In High school I represented my school at a regional
contest in foreign languages in french. If only that effort had
been spent in Spanish, it would be worthwhile. Now at my age I
cannot find the time of brain capacity to learn spanish. I only
wish I had taken spanish so I could converse with my Mexican
friends and workers..<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/23/2019 1:02 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deanvp@att.net">deanvp@att.net</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mt Ramble…I came from a home where two
languages were spoken. Dutch and English. Our parents spoke
Dutch when they didn’t want us kids to know what they were
talking about. So… by necessity we learned the language
enough to understand what was being said. But… we didn’t let
on that we had learned. Jokes were often spoken in Dutch as
that seemed an easier way to express themselves. Dutch words
were used to describe something that came easier than
English. When I was very young the Churches offered two
services in the morning. A Dutch service and an English
service. The minister needed to be bi-lingual. It was not
uncommon for meal prayers to be spoken in Dutch and Dutch
bibles were seen often. So it was not uncommon to hear a
conversation that mixed Dutch and English together.
Unfortunately after moving away from home after I was 18 I
lost most of my ability to understand Dutch when it is spoken.
I never really learned to speak it other than some broken
sentences. It was funny however, when we toured Europe while
in Holland and Germany and even Austria it was amazing how
soon some of the word recognition came back almost being able
to understand whole sentences and meanings of the sentences.
This was even after being away from the Dutch language for
over 40 years. It was especially helpful when I got lost in
the medieval town of Innsbruck, Austria. We were on a bus tour
and the bus had just dropped us off at a hotel and I had run
out of VHS tape (tells you how long ago It was).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So took off down the street to find a place
where I could buy some more tapes. The streets are narrow with
many really old multi story buildings on each side. I had a
mission and I was going to complete it in the shortest
possible time. So I walked and walked deeper into the city
trying to find some kind of store that sold the tapes. I
finally found one that had Japanese branded tapes that were
common then. So I brought them to the counter to pay. Reached
in my bill fold and all I had were German Marks. Well the
clerk who spoke broken English was able to make the conversion
with her broken English and my slight understanding of her
German/Austrian language. I was also trying to make the
conversion from Austrian Marks to German Marks to American
dollars so I knew if I was paying a reasonable amount for
these Japanese tapes. It turned out it came out to be about
$7 a tape so it wasn’t a crazy price. So after completing our
Japanese/German/Austrian/ American transaction I went back out
on the street to return back to the hotel.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I then suddenly realized I had no idea
where I was relative to the Hotel and for the life of me could
not remember the name of the Hotel. And this was when I was
much younger and could remember things and didn’t have senior
moments. I got a little panicky. Here I was in Austria, didn’t
speak Austrian, and didn’t know how to get back to my hotel
which I couldn’t remember the name of. That be truly lost. So
went back into the shop I had jut purchased the tapes because
she and I had been able to hold a conversation together even
though I had a very limited understanding of the local
language but she had a better understanding of English. She
asked me to describe the exterior of the Hotel. I couldn’t. I
then remembered there was a very modern building directly
across the street that stood out because it was so different.
I was able to describe that building with some specificity and
she immediately knew what hotel I was staying at . It turned
out the new building was the New Post Office. So then she put
directions on a piece of paper with street names to get me
back to the hotel. I gave her another $5 tip which she didn’t
want but I left it anyway. I made it back to the Hotel and
took a good look at what it looked like and memorized the
name. It was kind of embarrassing. Modern architecture really
stands out against several hundred year old other buildings.
And no they were not made of cinderblock or cement blocks or
concrete blocks. They were either real bricks and mortar or
rocks and mortar. And yes they did slow down the wind. But I
wasn’t there for the Winter Olympics either to find out. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS: I now have a habit of stopping before I
go into any hotel I stay at, making sure I remember the name
of it and what it looks like. My little Austrian experience
left an indelible mark. My wife loses her sense of direction
very easily. I usually don’t but when at the Classic Green
Reunion in Grand island just a week ago I was off by 90
degrees for a while and that is very confusing. But… I was
able to observe over 580 Green Antique tractors (obligatory
tractor reference) and implements at the show. Very good
display from 1918 Waterloo Boy to two cylinder stuff, to 12
row combines.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Indiana Robinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] OT don't take any Buffalo Nickels<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I find this discussion a little
surprising... I was taught in about the 6th grade (in a
small rural school in the 1950's) that what we all call
buffalo are really scientifically true bison and that
early explorers were just guessing as to what they were.
It was much like them thinking at first that this was the
far side of the world and them calling everybody
"Indians". The name just stuck and so did buffalo.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even back when I was in school it was
understood that most people would probably always continue
to call them buffalo in casual conservation and I still
do. By the time I learned that they were really bison I
had already learned the words dog, cat, cow etc. and bison
was a strange sounding name to me. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Languages are funny things... Always
evolving but not always in a good way. I have a few pet
peeves from more recent years about how people butcher
things. I watch a lot of DIY stuff and keep saying (mostly
to the TV screen) "No, that is not ship-lap. Every old 8"
board is not ship-lap!" or "No that is not a "cinder
block! It is either a cement block or a concrete block...
It is only a cinder block if it was produced using cinders
for the aggregate and very few of those are being produced
these days."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rambling farther off track (not a
cinder track). :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When Diana and I got married in June
1963 we rented a small house at the edge of town for a
year and a half that was on a full basement all made of
actual cinder block. When that first winter came along I
got a real shock. The cinders were quite coarse and the
block walls were not even close to being air tight. When
the winter winds began to howl you could not heat the
basement. If you lit a candle (I really did) and held it
next to the west wall on a high wind day it would blow the
candle out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking of languages, we have become
friends with a Greek family who have a local gyro based
restaurant (pronounced <span class="gmail-lrdctph">ˈyērō)</span>.
Really nice family. We were eating there a day or two ago
and a lady and I believe her daughter sat a the booth
behind me and were chatting. I wasn't sure what language
they were speaking but it wasn't English. When things
slowed down our friends came out to visit with them and I
realized that that they had been chatting in Greek. It was
a happy visit for the 4 of them and I had to chuckle a few
times as they talked listening to them as all 4 of them
flip-flopped from Greek to English over and over again. It
was maybe about 60% Greek and 40% English. Our friends are
quite good at English so it was funny hearing the sudden
shift from rapid fire Greek to a perfectly enunciated full
sentence or more in English then instantly back to Greek.
I can only assume that some thoughts just might be easier
to express in English and some easier in Greek. We have
some Chinese friends but they always speak all Chinese or
all English. We also have Hispanic friends and family and
they also speak mostly all one or the other. I have always
wished I could learn other languages but while I have
learned many thing in my time, other languages are just
not a big part of my skill set. I do speak American
English, British English, Australian English and a little
New Zealand English... :-) I do also speak a little
dog, cat and horse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dang! I'm getting burned out on daily
raining... Crops are all over the place in quality and
some fields are still not planted and still standing
water. One problem with a really wet spring here is that
if the ground stays too wet too long the corn will not put
down many deep roots then if it suddenly turns very dry it
doesn't have a root system deep enough to get good
moisture. If that happens the guys that use irrigation
here may benefit from its use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's been "interesting" with these
everyday rains going past the local Whitecastle joint in a
down pour of rain and seeing their sprinkler system
running. It must be under "corporate control".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:59 AM James
Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am a fan of the Lonesome Dove series,
both the books and the miniseries, and even have been to
one of the filming sites. One main character is Buffalo
Hump. Maybe we can get author Larry McMurtry to rename
him.<br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Hump"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Hump</a><br>
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The book 'War Of a Thousand Deserts" gives the Comanches
credit for discombobulating Mexico enough for the US to
win the 1846 war.<br>
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<a
href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300158373/war-thousand-deserts"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300158373/war-thousand-deserts</a><br>
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[James Peck] I was on a work related trip to a location
along the old Erie Railroad right of way in western New
York about 10 years ago and heard a man rant about the
shortcomings of English speakers. He was upset that Beau
Fleur had become Buffalo. This source says that is fake
info.<br>
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<a
href="https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100616152325AAZECYp"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100616152325AAZECYp</a><br>
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[Dean VP Snohomish, WA 98290] I'm sure "Buffalo Bill might
disagree with this. <span style="font-family:"Segoe
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[<a href="mailto:szabelski@wildblue.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">szabelski@wildblue.net</a> The
correct terminology is “BISON”. Bison are members of the
bovine group “BUFFALO”. Bison are native to North and
South America. Buffalo are native to Africa and Asia (
i.e.: Water Buffalo, etc).<br>
<br>
[James Peck] I was in a place where the TV was playing
"Highway Through Hell" a few days ago. They were towing
and removing vehicles and big loads on the Alaskan
Highway. When they drove by a herd of what my first
instinct would be to call "Buffalo", the Canadian accented
truckers called them "Bison".<br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_bison"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_bison</a><br>
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The show had some WW2 shots of tracked tractors pulling
pan scrapers in the building of the highway.<br>
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<a
href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Thru_Hell"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Thru_Hell</a><br>
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[Ralph] <snip>The bison herd are being fed a hay
bale or two fairly regularly as the grass can't keep up
with them. <snip><br>
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