[AT] Radiator situation
Cecil Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Mon Jun 17 19:25:54 PDT 2019
I have one of these and it works!!
https://smile.amazon.com/Lisle-75500-Combustion-Leak-Detector/dp/B0007ZDRUI/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=combustion+leak+detector&qid=1560824684&s=gateway&sr=8-5
Cecil
On 6/17/2019 7:08 PM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote:
> As Dean pointed out I would want to check timing since new module was
> installed.
>
> I have had bad head gaskets and the one thing I noted when they leaked
> into the coolant was the bubbles increased significantly when
> increased engine RPM's.
>
> Gary
>
> Renton, WA/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> To: at <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 4:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [AT] Radiator situation
>
> That new electronic ignition may be causing problems with the coil.
> Also, since the electronic ignition will create a lot hotter and
> higher voltage spark, the coil can be shorting out. I have also had
> new name brand coils start misfiring when hot. My last GM that used
> the coil in the cap had 4 coils before I put the old original one back
> to stop the misfire when hot... If the engine just shut down without
> any misfire, pulling down, etc of that type, then it is ignition. I
> would also look for a relay in the circuit. Maybe one in the main
> ignition wire feeding the switch. I spent over $400 and 6 months
> hunting a blower problem when it was a breaker in the line....
> Cecil
> On 6/17/2019 6:35 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote:
> Yes, but it moves the new ignition system or module up higher on the
> list of potential problems
>
> Thanks
> Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Mark Greer <magreer67 at gmail.com
> <mailto:magreer67 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Since he said he just installed an electronic ignition, we can
>> probably rule out a bad condensor.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM joehardy <joehardy at epix.net
>> <mailto:joehardy at epix.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Had similar problems with our oliver 77. Frustrating but found
>> had condenser that was faulty. Joe Hardisky ryman farm dallas pa.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com
>> <mailto:moscowengnr at outlook.com>>
>> Date: 6/17/19 10:54 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Radiator situation
>>
>> I agree that 2 problems are described here.
>>
>> Also agree that bubbles in coolant are most likely a head gasket
>> or cracked head. For occasional use run with the radiator cap
>> loose and that should let the bubbles escape without loosing
>> coolant. For occasional use you can run like this for a long time.
>>
>> My thought is the second problem of engine quitting is some
>> electrical device getting hot and it stops working, such as a
>> coil. When it cools down it starts working again.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net
>> <mailto:deanvp at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Tyler, sorry you had problems on the ride. After reading you
>>> whole post I would first assume the two issues are unrelated
>>> but... here is how they may be related. Have you checked the
>>> timing with a timing light? It is possible that the timing of
>>> the spark may be too early causing the spark to occur too soon.
>>> That would cause the engine to run too hot. That may be the
>>> reason the ignition is cutting out and the radiator coolant to
>>> be raising too high znxx overflowing. Sometimes it is hard to
>>> differentiate the coolant bubbles being caused by the water pump
>>> versus a compression leak. So I would set that aside for
>>> awhile. First problem to solve is the engine cutting out. First
>>> obtain or order a temperature gauge. While waiting for it check
>>> the timing with a timing light. IF thzt is ok then check for
>>> poor or loose connections. After getting the temp gauge
>>> installed go for a test run. Then pursue the coolant issue.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Tyler Juranek
>>> <tylerpolkaman at gmail.com <mailto:tylerpolkaman at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Last Saturday, June 8, I took my Oliver 88 on a tractor
>>> ride. I have
>>> been on this ride for five years, and it In the first, and
>>> hopefully
>>> the last, year I didn't finish.
>>> I had just put an electronic ignition on it with a new coil,
>>> spark
>>> plugs, wires and cap. On the ride, I rode for quite awhile,
>>> (I don't
>>> remember how many miles), and stopped for a break. I started
>>> it back
>>> up, and we kept going. The tractor was running like a sewing
>>> machine.
>>> Just purring away.
>>> And then all of a sudden, at full throttle, I am running,
>>> running,
>>> running, and then it died. No smoke, no leak, nothing. It
>>> just quit.
>>> So, they pulled me with another tractor to the side of an
>>> elevator.
>>> One of the guys said, "Tyler, try starting that again. Might
>>> just be a
>>> vapor lock." So I pushed the button. Sure enough, it started
>>> again! It
>>> ran like an Oliver for another 8 miles, and did the same
>>> thing again.
>>> This time, some antifreeze leaked on the bottom, but it was
>>> a "drip
>>> drip" and then it quit. So it got towed to a guys house, of
>>> whom I
>>> knew, and I hopped on a people hauler to finish the ride.
>>> I went back, and started it, and had someone drive it onto the
>>> trailer for me. (Remember, I'm visually impaired). It ran
>>> fine then
>>> also.
>>> So I brought it home, put it into the shed. I took both
>>> hoses and
>>> clamps off, and found a half galon of coolant came out.
>>> Anyway, we cleaned the fittings up, put new hoses and clamps
>>> on, and
>>> bought some water in the gallon jugs at the grocery store.
>>> (We had to
>>> replace the pump in our well, and so there's a lot of rust
>>> in it now
>>> and didn't want to put that in). Anyway, a few days later, I
>>> proceeded
>>> to fill it. My father brought over a funnel that had a
>>> little oil on
>>> it. I wanted to clean it, but he said it wouldn't hurt. So
>>> when I
>>> dumped the third gallon in, it made a small screech. We
>>> realized that
>>> the radiator was full! It uses 4.5 gallons according to the
>>> book. It
>>> was filled almost to the brim. (That's too full). So then I
>>> went to
>>> start it. My father suggested that we leave the cap off so
>>> we could
>>> see what was going on inside the radiator. So we started it,
>>> and like
>>> always, it fired right up, and ran fine. However, I had
>>> filled the
>>> radiator so full, it was a wet mess. So we left it outside
>>> for the
>>> night so that the excess could just leak out and didn't make
>>> a mess on
>>> the shed floor.
>>> Yesterday, (Sunday) my grandpa, (The one who gave me the
>>> tractor),
>>> was over for a meal and to visit. Grandpa obviously had
>>> grown up on
>>> both an Oliver 70 Hart Parr, and an 88 like I have now. So
>>> all three
>>> of us went out to look at it. We checked the radiator. It had
>>> obviously leaked down to a "happy point." We added a pint of
>>> water,
>>> just to make sure it was over the core.
>>> So here again, I started it, it ran like an oliver the whole
>>> time.
>>> However, in both instances I ran it, there have been air
>>> bubbles in
>>> the radiator. Both times in running, there is no white
>>> smoke, the oil
>>> looks great, and, as my grandfather said, both hoses are the
>>> same
>>> temperature. I must also mention that when I had the hoses
>>> off, I
>>> flushed the radiator 4 times. There is also supposed to be a
>>> thermostat in the tractor, but apparently it never has had
>>> one since I
>>> have had, or my grandfather has had the tractor. It never
>>> got hot. So,
>>> this is what we know so far.
>>> 1. The day of the tractor ride, it obviously got overheated
>>> a bit.
>>> (We are all in agreement that somehow it had to be low on
>>> coolant.)
>>> 2. My grandfather highly doubts its the head or the head gasket,
>>> because the oil is fine.
>>> 3. After 40 minutes of running each time, it didn't get
>>> overly hot.
>>> (The temp gauge has never worked on this tractor, but just
>>> by feeling
>>> the cap, it only felt "engine warm"
>>> 3. It's not the water pump, because water is circulating
>>> just fine
>>> and not leaking.
>>> 4. It isn't boiling out on the sides of the radiator or anything
>>> after running for awhile.
>>> So, why might it be bubbling? There has to be an air pocket or
>>> something somewhere that's causing this. The other thing
>>> that I am
>>> wondering is, "Did the tractor always do this, and nobody
>>> realized it
>>> until now, because there was no reason to pay attention to it?"
>>> Should a person just run it down the road at full throttle for a
>>> couple of miles to try to get the air out?
>>> What does everyone think?
>>> Thanks for any help, and sorry for the long post. This is my
>>> pride
>>> and joy, and so I want to take great care of it, as always.
>>> Take Care,
>>> Tyler Juranek
>>> IA
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