[AT] Radiator situation

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Mon Jun 17 19:25:54 PDT 2019


I have one of these and it works!! 
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Cecil


On 6/17/2019 7:08 PM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote:
> As Dean pointed out I would want to check timing since new module was 
> installed.
>
> I have had bad head gaskets and the one thing I noted when they leaked 
> into the coolant was the bubbles increased significantly when 
> increased engine RPM's.
>
> Gary
>
> Renton, WA/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> To: at <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 4:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [AT] Radiator situation
>
> That new electronic ignition may be causing problems with the coil.  
> Also, since the electronic ignition will create a lot hotter and 
> higher voltage spark, the coil can be shorting out.   I have also had 
> new name brand coils start misfiring when hot.  My last GM that used 
> the coil in the cap had 4 coils before I put the old original one back 
> to stop the misfire when hot...  If the engine just shut down without 
> any misfire, pulling down, etc of that type, then it is ignition.  I 
> would also look for a relay in the circuit.  Maybe one in the main 
> ignition wire feeding the switch.  I spent over $400 and 6 months 
> hunting a blower problem when it was a breaker in the line....
> Cecil
> On 6/17/2019 6:35 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote:
> Yes, but it moves the new ignition system or module up higher on the 
> list of potential problems
>
> Thanks
> Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Mark Greer <magreer67 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:magreer67 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Since he said he just installed an electronic ignition, we can 
>> probably rule out a bad condensor.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM joehardy <joehardy at epix.net 
>> <mailto:joehardy at epix.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Had similar problems with our oliver 77. Frustrating but found
>>     had condenser that was faulty. Joe Hardisky ryman farm dallas pa.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>     -------- Original message --------
>>     From: Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com
>>     <mailto:moscowengnr at outlook.com>>
>>     Date: 6/17/19 10:54 AM (GMT-05:00)
>>     To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>>     Subject: Re: [AT] Radiator situation
>>
>>     I agree that 2 problems are described here.
>>
>>     Also agree that bubbles in coolant are most likely a head gasket
>>     or cracked head. For occasional use run with the radiator cap
>>     loose and that should let the bubbles escape without loosing
>>     coolant. For occasional use you can run like this for a long time.
>>
>>     My thought is the second problem of engine quitting is some
>>     electrical device getting hot and it stops working, such as a
>>     coil. When it cools down it starts working again.
>>
>>     Good luck,
>>     Dennis
>>
>>
>>     Sent from my iPad
>>
>>     On Jun 17, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net
>>     <mailto:deanvp at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>     Tyler, sorry you had problems on the ride. After reading you
>>>     whole post I would first assume the two issues are unrelated
>>>     but... here is how they may be related.  Have you checked the
>>>     timing with a timing light?  It is possible that the timing of
>>>     the spark may be too early causing the spark to occur too soon.
>>>     That would cause the engine to run too hot. That may be the
>>>     reason the ignition is cutting out and the radiator coolant to
>>>     be raising too high znxx overflowing. Sometimes it is hard to
>>>     differentiate the coolant bubbles being caused by the water pump
>>>     versus a compression leak.  So I would set that aside for
>>>     awhile. First problem to solve is the engine cutting out. First
>>>     obtain or order a temperature gauge. While waiting for it check
>>>     the timing with a timing light. IF thzt is ok then check for
>>>     poor or loose connections. After getting the temp gauge
>>>     installed go for a test run. Then pursue the coolant issue.
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Tyler Juranek
>>>         <tylerpolkaman at gmail.com <mailto:tylerpolkaman at gmail.com>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>         Hi All,
>>>         Last Saturday, June 8, I took my Oliver 88 on a tractor
>>>         ride. I have
>>>         been on this ride for five years, and it In the first, and
>>>         hopefully
>>>         the last, year I didn't finish.
>>>         I had just put an electronic ignition on it with a new coil,
>>>         spark
>>>         plugs, wires and cap. On the ride, I rode for quite awhile,
>>>         (I don't
>>>         remember how many miles), and stopped for a break. I started
>>>         it back
>>>         up, and we kept going. The tractor was running like a sewing
>>>         machine.
>>>         Just purring away.
>>>         And then all of a sudden, at full throttle, I am running,
>>>         running,
>>>         running, and then it died. No smoke, no leak, nothing. It
>>>         just quit.
>>>         So, they pulled me with another tractor to the side of an
>>>         elevator.
>>>         One of the guys said, "Tyler, try starting that again. Might
>>>         just be a
>>>         vapor lock." So I pushed the button. Sure enough, it started
>>>         again! It
>>>         ran like an Oliver for another 8 miles, and did the same
>>>         thing again.
>>>         This time, some antifreeze leaked on the bottom, but it was
>>>         a "drip
>>>         drip" and then it quit. So it got towed to a guys house, of
>>>         whom I
>>>         knew, and I hopped on a people hauler to finish the ride.
>>>         I went back, and started it, and had someone drive it onto the
>>>         trailer for me. (Remember, I'm visually impaired). It ran
>>>         fine then
>>>         also.
>>>         So I brought it home, put it into the shed. I took both
>>>         hoses and
>>>         clamps off, and found a half galon of coolant came out.
>>>         Anyway, we cleaned the fittings up, put new hoses and clamps
>>>         on, and
>>>         bought some water in the gallon jugs at the grocery store.
>>>         (We had to
>>>         replace the pump in our well, and so there's a lot of rust
>>>         in it now
>>>         and didn't want to put that in). Anyway, a few days later, I
>>>         proceeded
>>>         to fill it. My father brought over a funnel that had a
>>>         little oil on
>>>         it. I wanted to clean it, but he said it wouldn't hurt. So
>>>         when I
>>>         dumped the third gallon in, it made a small screech. We
>>>         realized that
>>>         the radiator was full! It uses 4.5 gallons according to the
>>>         book. It
>>>         was filled almost to the brim. (That's too full). So then I
>>>         went to
>>>         start it. My father suggested that we leave the cap off so
>>>         we could
>>>         see what was going on inside the radiator. So we started it,
>>>         and like
>>>         always, it fired right up, and ran fine. However, I had
>>>         filled the
>>>         radiator so full, it was a wet mess. So we left it outside
>>>         for the
>>>         night so that the excess could just leak out and didn't make
>>>         a mess on
>>>         the shed floor.
>>>         Yesterday, (Sunday) my grandpa, (The one who gave me the
>>>         tractor),
>>>         was over for a meal and to visit. Grandpa obviously had
>>>         grown up on
>>>         both an Oliver 70 Hart Parr, and an 88 like I have now. So
>>>         all three
>>>         of us went out to look at it. We checked the radiator. It had
>>>         obviously leaked down to a "happy point." We added a pint of
>>>         water,
>>>         just to make sure it was over the core.
>>>         So here again, I started it, it ran like an oliver the whole
>>>         time.
>>>         However, in both instances I ran it, there have been air
>>>         bubbles in
>>>         the radiator. Both times in running, there is no white
>>>         smoke, the oil
>>>         looks great, and, as my grandfather said, both hoses are the
>>>         same
>>>         temperature. I must also mention that when I had the hoses
>>>         off, I
>>>         flushed the radiator 4 times. There is also supposed to be a
>>>         thermostat in the tractor, but apparently it never has had
>>>         one since I
>>>         have had, or my grandfather has had the tractor. It never
>>>         got hot. So,
>>>         this is what we know so far.
>>>         1. The day of the tractor ride, it obviously got overheated
>>>         a bit.
>>>         (We are all in agreement that somehow it had to be low on
>>>         coolant.)
>>>         2. My grandfather highly doubts its the head or the head gasket,
>>>         because the oil is fine.
>>>         3. After 40 minutes of running each time, it didn't get
>>>         overly hot.
>>>         (The temp gauge has never worked on this tractor, but just
>>>         by feeling
>>>         the cap, it only felt "engine warm"
>>>         3. It's not the water pump, because water is circulating
>>>         just fine
>>>         and not leaking.
>>>         4. It isn't boiling out on the sides of the radiator or anything
>>>         after running for awhile.
>>>         So, why might it be bubbling? There has to be an air pocket or
>>>         something somewhere that's causing this. The other thing
>>>         that I am
>>>         wondering is, "Did the tractor always do this, and nobody
>>>         realized it
>>>         until now, because there was no reason to pay attention to it?"
>>>         Should a person just run it down the road at full throttle for a
>>>         couple of miles to try to get the air out?
>>>         What does everyone think?
>>>         Thanks for any help, and sorry for the long post. This is my
>>>         pride
>>>         and joy, and so I want to take great care of it, as always.
>>>         Take Care,
>>>         Tyler Juranek
>>>         IA
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