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<p>I have one of these and it works!!
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/2019 7:08 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:k7jdj@aol.com">k7jdj@aol.com</a>
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<div> <font size="2">As Dean pointed out I would want to check
timing since new module was installed. <br>
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<div><font size="2">I have had bad head gaskets and the one
thing I noted when they leaked into the coolant was the
bubbles increased significantly when increased engine RPM's.</font></div>
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<div>That new electronic ignition may be causing problems
with the coil. Also, since the electronic ignition will
create a lot hotter and higher voltage spark, the coil
can be shorting out. I have also had new name brand
coils start misfiring when hot. My last GM that used
the coil in the cap had 4 coils before I put the old
original one back to stop the misfire when hot... If
the engine just shut down without any misfire, pulling
down, etc of that type, then it is ignition. I would
also look for a relay in the circuit. Maybe one in the
main ignition wire feeding the switch. I spent over
$400 and 6 months hunting a blower problem when it was a
breaker in the line....<br clear="none">
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<div> Yes, but it moves the new ignition system or module
up higher on the list of potential problems
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<div>Dennis</div>
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<div>Had similar problems with our oliver
77. Frustrating but found had condenser
that was faulty. Joe Hardisky ryman farm
dallas pa.</div>
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I agree that 2 problems are described here.
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<div>Also agree that bubbles in coolant
are most likely a head gasket or cracked
head. For occasional use run with the
radiator cap loose and that should let
the bubbles escape without loosing
coolant. For occasional use you can run
like this for a long time.</div>
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<div>My thought is the second problem of
engine quitting is some electrical
device getting hot and it stops working,
such as a coil. When it cools down it
starts working again.</div>
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Tyler, sorry you had problems on the
ride. After reading you whole post I
would first assume the two issues
are unrelated but... here is how
they may be related. Have you
checked the timing with a timing
light? It is possible that the
timing of the spark may be too early
causing the spark to occur too soon.
That would cause the engine to run
too hot. That may be the reason the
ignition is cutting out and the
radiator coolant to be raising too
high znxx overflowing. Sometimes it
is hard to differentiate the coolant
bubbles being caused by the water
pump versus a compression leak. So
I would set that aside for awhile.
First problem to solve is the engine
cutting out. First obtain or order a
temperature gauge. While waiting for
it check the timing with a timing
light. IF thzt is ok then check for
poor or loose connections. After
getting the temp gauge installed go
for a test run. Then pursue the
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All,<br
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<div dir="ltr">Last Saturday,
June 8, I took my Oliver 88 on
a tractor ride. I have<br
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<div dir="ltr">been on this ride
for five years, and it In the
first, and hopefully<br
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<div dir="ltr">the last, year I
didn't finish.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">I had just put an
electronic ignition on it with
a new coil, spark<br
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<div dir="ltr">plugs, wires and
cap. On the ride, I rode for
quite awhile, (I don't<br
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<div dir="ltr">remember how many
miles), and stopped for a
break. I started it back<br
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">up, and we kept
going. The tractor was running
like a sewing machine.<br
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<div dir="ltr">Just purring
away.<br clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">And then all of a
sudden, at full throttle, I am
running, running,<br
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<div dir="ltr">running, and then
it died. No smoke, no leak,
nothing. It just quit.<br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">So, they pulled
me with another tractor to the
side of an elevator.<br
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">One of the guys
said, "Tyler, try starting
that again. Might just be a<br
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<div dir="ltr">vapor lock." So I
pushed the button. Sure
enough, it started again! It<br
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<div dir="ltr">ran like an
Oliver for another 8 miles,
and did the same thing again.<br
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">This time, some
antifreeze leaked on the
bottom, but it was a "drip<br
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<div dir="ltr">drip" and then it
quit. So it got towed to a
guys house, of whom I<br
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<div dir="ltr">knew, and I
hopped on a people hauler to
finish the ride.<br
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<div dir="ltr">I went back, and
started it, and had someone
drive it onto the<br
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<div dir="ltr">trailer for me.
(Remember, I'm visually
impaired). It ran fine then<br
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<div dir="ltr">also.<br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">So I brought it
home, put it into the shed. I
took both hoses and<br
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<div dir="ltr">clamps off, and
found a half galon of coolant
came out.<br clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Anyway, we
cleaned the fittings up, put
new hoses and clamps on, and<br
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<div dir="ltr">bought some water
in the gallon jugs at the
grocery store. (We had to<br
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<div dir="ltr">replace the pump
in our well, and so there's a
lot of rust in it now<br
clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">and didn't want
to put that in). Anyway, a few
days later, I proceeded<br
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<div dir="ltr">to fill it. My
father brought over a funnel
that had a little oil on<br
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<div dir="ltr">it. I wanted to
clean it, but he said it
wouldn't hurt. So when I<br
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<div dir="ltr">dumped the third
gallon in, it made a small
screech. We realized that<br
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<div dir="ltr">the radiator was
full! It uses 4.5 gallons
according to the book. It<br
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<div dir="ltr">was filled almost
to the brim. (That's too
full). So then I went to<br
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<div dir="ltr">start it. My
father suggested that we leave
the cap off so we could<br
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<div dir="ltr">see what was
going on inside the radiator.
So we started it, and like<br
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<div dir="ltr">always, it fired
right up, and ran fine.
However, I had filled the<br
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<div dir="ltr">radiator so full,
it was a wet mess. So we left
it outside for the<br
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<div dir="ltr">night so that the
excess could just leak out and
didn't make a mess on<br
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<div dir="ltr">the shed floor.<br
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">Yesterday,
(Sunday) my grandpa, (The one
who gave me the tractor),<br
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<div dir="ltr">was over for a
meal and to visit. Grandpa
obviously had grown up on<br
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<div dir="ltr">both an Oliver 70
Hart Parr, and an 88 like I
have now. So all three<br
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<div dir="ltr">of us went out to
look at it. We checked the
radiator. It had<br
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<div dir="ltr">obviously leaked
down to a "happy point." We
added a pint of water,<br
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<div dir="ltr">just to make sure
it was over the core.<br
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">So here again, I
started it, it ran like an
oliver the whole time.<br
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<div dir="ltr">However, in both
instances I ran it, there have
been air bubbles in<br
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<div dir="ltr">the radiator.
Both times in running, there
is no white smoke, the oil<br
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<div dir="ltr">looks great, and,
as my grandfather said, both
hoses are the same<br
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<div dir="ltr">temperature. I
must also mention that when I
had the hoses off, I<br
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<div dir="ltr">flushed the
radiator 4 times. There is
also supposed to be a<br
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<div dir="ltr">thermostat in the
tractor, but apparently it
never has had one since I<br
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<div dir="ltr">have had, or my
grandfather has had the
tractor. It never got hot. So,<br
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<div dir="ltr">this is what we
know so far.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">1. The day of the
tractor ride, it obviously got
overheated a bit.<br
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<div dir="ltr">(We are all in
agreement that somehow it had
to be low on coolant.)<br
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<div dir="ltr">2. My grandfather
highly doubts its the head or
the head gasket,<br
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<div dir="ltr">because the oil
is fine.<br clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">3. After 40
minutes of running each time,
it didn't get overly hot.<br
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<div dir="ltr">(The temp gauge
has never worked on this
tractor, but just by feeling<br
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<div dir="ltr">the cap, it only
felt "engine warm"<br
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<div dir="ltr">3. It's not the
water pump, because water is
circulating just fine<br
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<div dir="ltr">and not leaking.<br
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">4. It isn't
boiling out on the sides of
the radiator or anything<br
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</div>
<div dir="ltr">after running for
awhile.<br clear="none">
</div>
<div dir="ltr">So, why might it
be bubbling? There has to be
an air pocket or<br
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<div dir="ltr">something
somewhere that's causing this.
The other thing that I am<br
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<div dir="ltr">wondering is,
"Did the tractor always do
this, and nobody realized it<br
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<div dir="ltr">until now,
because there was no reason to
pay attention to it?"<br
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<div dir="ltr">Should a person
just run it down the road at
full throttle for a<br
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<div dir="ltr">couple of miles
to try to get the air out?<br
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<div dir="ltr">What does
everyone think?<br
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for any
help, and sorry for the long
post. This is my pride<br
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<div dir="ltr">and joy, and so I
want to take great care of it,
as always.<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Take Care,<br
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