[AT] Radiator situation

Mon Jun 17 16:29:24 PDT 2019

Since he said he just installed an electronic ignition, we can probably
rule out a bad condensor.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM joehardy <joehardy at epix.net> wrote:

> Had similar problems with our oliver 77. Frustrating but found had
> condenser that was faulty. Joe Hardisky ryman farm dallas pa.
>
>
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr at outlook.com>
> Date: 6/17/19 10:54 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Radiator situation
>
> I agree that 2 problems are described here.
>
> Also agree that bubbles in coolant are most likely a head gasket or
> cracked head. For occasional use run with the radiator cap loose and that
> should let the bubbles escape without loosing coolant. For occasional use
> you can run like this for a long time.
>
> My thought is the second problem of engine quitting is some electrical
> device getting hot and it stops working, such as a coil. When it cools down
> it starts working again.
>
> Good luck,
> Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Tyler, sorry you had problems on the ride. After reading you whole post I
> would first assume the two issues are unrelated but... here is how they may
> be related.  Have you checked the timing with a timing light?  It is
> possible that the timing of the spark may be too early causing the spark to
> occur too soon. That would cause the engine to run too hot. That may be the
> reason the ignition is cutting out and the radiator coolant to be raising
> too high znxx overflowing. Sometimes it is hard to differentiate the
> coolant bubbles being caused by the water pump versus a compression leak.
> So I would set that aside for awhile. First problem to solve is the engine
> cutting out. First obtain or order a temperature gauge. While waiting for
> it check the timing with a timing light. IF thzt is ok then check for poor
> or loose connections. After getting the temp gauge installed go for a test
> run. Then pursue the coolant issue.
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Tyler Juranek
> <tylerpolkaman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Last Saturday, June 8, I took my Oliver 88 on a tractor ride. I have
> been on this ride for five years, and it In the first, and hopefully
> the last, year I didn't finish.
> I had just put an electronic ignition on it with a new coil, spark
> plugs, wires and cap. On the ride, I rode for quite awhile, (I don't
> remember how many miles), and stopped for a break. I started it back
> up, and we kept going. The tractor was running like a sewing machine.
> Just purring away.
> And then all of a sudden, at full throttle, I am running, running,
> running, and then it died. No smoke, no leak, nothing. It just quit.
> So, they pulled me with another tractor to the side of an elevator.
> One of the guys said, "Tyler, try starting that again. Might just be a
> vapor lock." So I pushed the button. Sure enough, it started again! It
> ran like an Oliver for another 8 miles, and did the same thing again.
> This time, some antifreeze leaked on the bottom, but it was a "drip
> drip" and then it quit. So it got towed to a guys house, of whom I
> knew, and I hopped on a people hauler to finish the ride.
> I went back, and started it, and had someone drive it onto the
> trailer for me. (Remember, I'm visually impaired). It ran fine then
> also.
> So I brought it home, put it into the shed. I took both hoses and
> clamps off, and found a half galon of coolant came out.
> Anyway, we cleaned the fittings up, put new hoses and clamps on, and
> bought some water in the gallon jugs at the grocery store. (We had to
> replace the pump in our well, and so there's a lot of rust in it now
> and didn't want to put that in). Anyway, a few days later, I proceeded
> to fill it. My father brought over a funnel that had a little oil on
> it. I wanted to clean it, but he said it wouldn't hurt. So when I
> dumped the third gallon in, it made a small screech. We realized that
> the radiator was full! It uses 4.5 gallons according to the book. It
> was filled almost to the brim. (That's too full). So then I went to
> start it. My father suggested that we leave the cap off so we could
> see what was going on inside the radiator. So we started it, and like
> always, it fired right up, and ran fine. However, I had filled the
> radiator so full, it was a wet mess. So we left it outside for the
> night so that the excess could just leak out and didn't make a mess on
> the shed floor.
> Yesterday, (Sunday) my grandpa, (The one who gave me the tractor),
> was over for a meal and to visit. Grandpa obviously had grown up on
> both an Oliver 70 Hart Parr, and an 88 like I have now. So all three
> of us went out to look at it. We checked the radiator. It had
> obviously leaked down to a "happy point." We added a pint of water,
> just to make sure it was over the core.
> So here again, I started it, it ran like an oliver the whole time.
> However, in both instances I ran it, there have been air bubbles in
> the radiator. Both times in running, there is no white smoke, the oil
> looks great, and, as my grandfather said, both hoses are the same
> temperature. I must also mention that when I had the hoses off, I
> flushed the radiator 4 times. There is also supposed to be a
> thermostat in the tractor, but apparently it never has had one since I
> have had, or my grandfather has had the tractor. It never got hot. So,
> this is what we know so far.
> 1. The day of the tractor ride, it obviously got overheated a bit.
> (We are all in agreement that somehow it had to be low on coolant.)
> 2. My grandfather highly doubts its the head or the head gasket,
> because the oil is fine.
> 3. After 40 minutes of running each time, it didn't get overly hot.
> (The temp gauge has never worked on this tractor, but just by feeling
> the cap, it only felt "engine warm"
> 3. It's not the water pump, because water is circulating just fine
> and not leaking.
> 4. It isn't boiling out on the sides of the radiator or anything
> after running for awhile.
> So, why might it be bubbling? There has to be an air pocket or
> something somewhere that's causing this. The other thing that I am
> wondering is, "Did the tractor always do this, and nobody realized it
> until now, because there was no reason to pay attention to it?"
> Should a person just run it down the road at full throttle for a
> couple of miles to try to get the air out?
> What does everyone think?
> Thanks for any help, and sorry for the long post. This is my pride
> and joy, and so I want to take great care of it, as always.
> Take Care,
> Tyler Juranek
> IA
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