[AT] [External] Caution: antique tractor usage

Thu Jul 25 17:40:41 PDT 2019

Here is a brief discussion you might find interesting Spencer, related to
shaft chatter. This is about a baler and they are configured differently
but still... This discussion mentioned intentionally running the U-joints
"90 degrees out of phase" to stop chatter. I've heard of that but never
tried it. Many cannot be ran like that without cutting and welding. A lot
of work just to test.  :-)

https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=implment&th=187074

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On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:18 PM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com> wrote:

> By the way all the hay is cut....
>
> I’ve mentioned this on the list before, but one time I nearly turned a
> tractor over. I was pulling out a little shrub with my Farmall A. In fact I
> was only using a rope not a chain. I had the rope tied to the draw bar and
> was messing around with it getting on the shrub.  In the process I didn’t
> realize the slack  got looped on the rear lift rocker arm. When I pulled
> the load that front end came up like it was shot from a canon.   To this
> day I don’t know how I had the reflexes to get the clutch disengaged in
> time.
>
> I was in a hurry to finish the honey-do list.   I should have slowed down
> 2 seconds and double checked everything.  Haste makes waste - and
> death....
>
> Spencer Yost
>
> On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Bo Hinch <bohinch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A lesson I learned years ago with a old J.D. Model "D" was to drive up to
> the load you are wanting to drag . hook the chain up to the rear (
> underneath ) tractor and pull in reverse .  Works safely and perfect every
> time .
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 5:28 PM Indiana Robinson <robinson46176 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was looking for something else and ran across this.
>>
>> https://ag-safety.extension.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/English-Task-Sheets-Group-6.pdf
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 6:02 PM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Taking a break from finishing up the field from yesterday (and another)
>>> - a third 2 acre field to go.   Bearing operating fine.   I forgot to
>>> mention that after brushing off the old one I found the shield/seal on one
>>> side (opposite side than the one in the picture) had failed and there was a
>>> nice gap all the way around.  Tons of rust and trash in there.
>>>
>>> New bearing didn’t help with the chattering on tight turns.
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can't speak for auto parts Steve, but I sold V-belts wholesale for a
>>> while years ago, and if you knew the markup on those, you'd fall out of
>>> your chair.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/25/2019 3:04 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm on a first-name basis with the owner and one of the longtime counter
>>> men at my local NAPA.  I'm not sure how the price breaks work, but
>>> typically they give me a list price and then "my" price which is
>>> significantly lower, usually 10-20% percent.  I can't say for sure that
>>> isn't just some marketing ploy they tell everybody, but like Spencer, I
>>> like to think relationships matter.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:46 PM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Went at lunch to to get the bearing and it’s an exact match.  SKF brand
>>>> and $43.   I said he wasn’t charging me enough because I was quoted $49 and
>>>> he said “Na, just cutting you a break.  You buy all your sh at t here”
>>>>
>>>> Relationships matter...
>>>>
>>>> Now just got to find a stopping point here at work so I can press it in
>>>> and roll.
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:22 AM, David Myers < <walking_tractor at yahoo.com>
>>>> walking_tractor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Don't remember if it has been brought up recently but Cecils post
>>>> reminded me of this.  You have to be very careful with pillow bloic
>>>> bearings when replacing the bearing itself.  Aisian bearings generally have
>>>> the grease hole in a different location than our standard blocks and
>>>> therefore can't normally be lubed once installed.  I have used a die
>>>> grinder  in an emergency to provide a pathway but not what I like to do.
>>>> David
>>>> On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 08:15:05 AM EDT, Cecil Bearden <
>>>> crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just a note FYI, there are pillow blocks that use a flat OD bearing as
>>>> they are not self aligning pillow blocks.  Self align blocks are higher
>>>> priced..   The bearing holder in the case of a PTO shaft is really a
>>>> trunnion mount if we want to be technically accurate.
>>>> Cecil
>>>> On 7/24/2019 11:41 PM, Mark Greer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 207KRR is not a pillow block insert bearing. It has a cylindrical OD
>>>> where a pillow block insert has a spherical OD.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:59 PM <bradloomis at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fafnir was a biggie at one time. Installed a lot of replacement pillow
>>>> blocks in fans a lifetime ago. I guess there isn’t a 6 in grunge. You can
>>>> always mic the OD, ID and width in MM and look up that way. And of course
>>>> Google is our friend! Is that in a pillow block? Shows as an insert bearing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.123bearing.com/housed-bearing-207-KRR-AH03-INA.php?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpJTqgYjP4wIVEsZkCh1cwQLIEAQYASABEgKuivD_BwE>
>>>> https://www.123bearing.com/housed-bearing-207-KRR-AH03-INA.php?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpJTqgYjP4wIVEsZkCh1cwQLIEAQYASABEgKuivD_BwE
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AT < <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Spencer Yost
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 24, 2019 7:36 PM
>>>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Caution: antique tractor usage
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>>>>
>>>> The name/numbers are “fafnir” “207krr”.   As I understand it
>>>> Fafnir(which I have never heard of of before) is now Timken and that number
>>>> seemed available at several online outlets but only NAPA could get it
>>>> locally.   We used to have a Bearings Distributors locally but they closed
>>>> up.  We have a Graingers locally but the web site said they don’t have it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I need something for haymaking that is almost always right, quality,
>>>> and in stock I go to Messicks but they ain’t cheap and then there is the
>>>> shipping delay and costs.  Plus I haven’t lost time if the one at NAPA
>>>> isn’t right.   The bearing at Messicks can still ship out tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 9:22 PM, < <bradloomis at charter.net>
>>>> bradloomis at charter.net> < <bradloomis at charter.net>
>>>> bradloomis at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Appears to be a 6207 shielded, both sides I would assume. No zerk.
>>>> McMaster.com if someone is away from a store. I’d get sealed both
>>>> sides but shielded is OK as well. Very common size in 15HP electric motors
>>>> on the fan end. We had a drawer full of bearings at the wine factory.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AT < <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Cecil Bearden
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:11 PM
>>>> *To:* <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] [External] Caution: antique tractor usage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer, I don't want to brag, but I think I have one or 2 of those in
>>>> my bearing stash.   Back in the 90's when Bailey's had a lot of cheap
>>>> bearings I ordered about $2000 worth of bearings to have in case something
>>>> broke.  Now the problem is just finding them....
>>>> Cecil
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/2019 6:03 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, the curse of old equipment struck me. The carrier bearing of the
>>>> PTO shaft on the mower conditioner locked up. Amazing how a little bearing
>>>> can make that kinda of a racket and pretty much stop an entire 50hp diesel
>>>> tractor.  Only got about 1.5 acres mowed before this happened.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Managed to get the carrier off the mower, managed to get the rusty snap
>>>> ring out, managed to press out the bearing, and found to my surprise it
>>>> something the Napa carries. They’ll  have it in the local store tomorrow by
>>>> lunch.   49$; and while Messicks is $45 and there would be shipping and a
>>>> delay.
>>>>
>>>> This model was manufactured from 1968-1972.  Judging by the paint it is
>>>> original equipment, so I guess 47 to 51 years of service is acceptable :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully I won’t run out of sunshine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:35 PM, Gunnells, Brad R <
>>>> <brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu>brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's a forecast that will make a man smile if he's trying to bale.
>>>> 😊
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AT < <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of Spencer Yost <
>>>> <spencer at rdfarms.com>spencer at rdfarms.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:45:10 PM
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>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [External] [AT] Caution: antique tractor usage
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m no haying professional but I’d say I have a spell of weather
>>>> suitable for cutting and baling with my old tractors ....
>>>>
>>>> <Image-1.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer Yost
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