[AT] Of the 10 worst tractors, two were made by Fiat. 4 were from brands eventually acquired by Fiat.

[Cecil Bearden]

My experience of the worst was with a 1010 John Deere, and that Fiat 
made Oliver.    Both were just too small to compete with the 25hp Massey 
Ferguson tractors we had before.

Cecil

On 2/12/2019 4:56 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> my thoughts exactly Al.  Consider the source.
> Charlie
> *From:* Al Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2019 2:54 PM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Of the 10 worst tractors, two were made by Fiat. 4 
> were from brands eventually acquired by Fiat.
> Most of the article was drivel, based on second hand information.  And 
> I strongly dislike Fords and MFs.
> Al
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Indiana Robinson 
> <robinson46176 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     As an old geezer...
>     Our information pool was typically smallish and pretty local. What
>     we did know was often quite a bit about the guys that were
>     bad-mouthing a tractor or implement. Many times we knew whether or
>     not he belonged to the club that my father used to refer to as
>     "just being rough on rat's"...  My own statement has long been "He
>     could break an anvil while straightening feathers."  😀  If they
>     were in that club you deeply discounted their opinion. In today's
>     wide open Internet world we don't usually know that about those
>     who express opinions.
>     By the same token there were those in the area who's opinion we
>     respected very highly.
>     .
>     On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 9:28 AM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com wrote:
>
>         Stephen,
>
>         That was my very first question too.  Looks like he’s just
>         writing article to write an article. He found some complaints
>         and put them on the list.     I owned an MT and could not get
>         rid of it fast enough. It was not a terribly useful tractor.  
>         I don’t think it belonged on the 10 worst of all time though.
>         But this brings up the sampling error prevalent in so many
>         opinions that I hear. It’s becoming very rare to run across
>         the folks like Herb Metz, George Willer, Gene Dotson, Gil
>         Schwartz and others , who were around and using these machines
>         when they were new. They probably are the only ones that have
>         an accurate picture of what was a lemon and what wasn’t. I’m
>         57,  so in reality I am only familiar with each models
>         “survivors” - “residents of the right hand tail of the bell
>         curve” if you will, and clearly not the units that were  lemons.
>         I really like my Ford 861, but did I just get one of the top
>         10% made in terms of quality and workmanship? If I had bought
>         one new in the late 50s would I have had a 15% chance of
>         buying one causing nothing but heartache and grief? Being this
>         young I can’t answer this question.
>
>         Sampling bias is real, alive, and loose in the world. You
>         always have to guard against it
>         Spencer Yost
>
>         On Feb 12, 2019, at 4:37 AM, Stephen Offiler
>         <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>         What makes that guy the authority on the subject?
>>         On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:47 AM James Peck
>>         <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>             Two of the 10 were made by Fiat. Another 4 were from
>>             brands eventually acquired by Fiat. Amazingly jd has 2 of
>>             the 10.
>>
>>             Massey Ferguson had a dud. They used a Cat engine. Should
>>             have stayed with Perkins.
>>
>>             http://www.brushcountryfarm.com/2018/05/10worst-tractors-of-all-time-i-enjoyed.html
>>
>>             https://harryferguson.blogspot.com
>>             https://www.linkedin.com/groups/5103068/
>>
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