[AT] quiet??

[bradloomis at charter.net]

I've never owned any tractor let alone an antique. I have a JD lawnmower, but now no lawn, drought you know. My love of old iron was at 13 driving my grandmother's 36 McCormick Farmall. Oh how I wanted that machine. But her in CT. and  me in CA made logistics difficult and I was out of my mind at the time it left the family. Drove a 4010 and a WD45 in the early 70s and loved every second of that. I attribute most of my mail issues to IMAP mail. I've been using Outlook since 97. I think I joined ATIS shortly thereafter.  First was learning to address mail lists in plain text vs. HTML mail. Now I have come to loathe IMAP mail. I don't get any email on a phone other than gmail since I use an Android. My gmail acct. is mostly for crap. With IMAP mail seems to come in from the server whenever it feels like arriving. I have to delete sometimes several times to get it out of my inbox. With this list and one other tech list I'm on hosted elsewhere,  I frequently get replies long before I ever get the original post, IF I ever get the original post. I've thought about moving to my own domain and having POP mail again but 4 days away from my 67th birthday I really don't want to deal with all that. I chalk it all up to 'tech' being fussy and get over it. Like site outages. If it doesn't work, try tomorrow. 
Brad

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From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Spencer Yost
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] quiet??


I address this subject from time to time.   Missing emails can be any number of issues. A very common reason is rate limiting. When a mail server for an ISP starts to become overloaded it will delete messages marked as “ bulk“; which mailing list mail is.   Because it’s overloaded, it does not report this back to the sender(it’s already overloaded, why send?).   So it just silently dumps it.  So there is never a way to know this for sure from my side.

Whitelists set up for your account will often cure this but not always.  

ISPs also look at the original sender (not the mailing list but the author) and if that sender’s ISP is in a black hole list it will reject it.   I used to get this reply back when I managed the lists on my own server but now that I use a cloud provider I don’t.

This usually gets sorted out within a few days because ending up in a black hole list creates noticeable issues for that ISP and they are usually motivated to solve it.

Also, mailings lists don’t retry delivery very frequently before giving up.  If there is a temporary issue in delivering to you(eg your ISP’s mail server is experiencing issues or your mailbox is full) the message may never come if the issues isn’t rectified within the retry window.   The first reason(rate limiting) and this reason often go hand in hand.   After an outage a mail server is usually swamped.

And lastly, SPAM processing is notoriously inconsistent.   Sometimes it will end up in your SPAM folder but that is never guaranteed.   They may have just deep-sixed it with no party ever being notified.   An infuriating aspect of this is it often will affect messages from certain senders more than others.   This is usually the reason if you find you most often miss messages from a particular sender.

In closing I do know and feel the pain.   After moving to a cloud provider even I miss the occasional message.   Most I find in the SPAM folder but every once in a blue moon it’s just “gone”.

Spencer
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