[AT] OT stamping press pits

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Wed Dec 11 20:44:31 PST 2019 

I think it would be hilarious.  Leave the money grubbing shirtail 
relatives the land that brings barely enough to pay the taxes, and with 
that use designation, not worth a lot to someone but a farmer.
Cecil

On 12/11/2019 10:24 PM, Mike M wrote:
> After further research through Michigan State University, I need to
> revise that figure, down a bit. A lot of the price is dependent on
> whether the field is tiled and that it drains well. A more realistic
> price is around $130 per acre.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 12/11/2019 11:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>> Wow!! $200/acre!!  That is a lot compared to Oklahoma.  Pasture is
>> $10/acre, and farmland $20 to $35/acre....  I am sitting on 80 acres
>> here, right next to me on the West the 80 Sold for $5K/acre.  If I
>> sold, I would have to move and then pay the Guvmint most of it....  It
>> took way too long to build those buildings to start over... However,
>> it is getting so crowded that we cannot get any farm ground to grow
>> hay on.  Thses City folks move out here and some have 25 to 40 acres.
>> They want it mowed 5 times a year when they rent it to us for hay!!!
>> Then they want it looking like a golf course over the winter. Nothing
>> to catch the blowing snow....
>> Cecil
>>
>> On 12/11/2019 10:04 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>> Why would anyone do something so stupid? 200 acres would command almost
>>> $40,000 per year in rent for your heirs. You'd really be screwing
>>> them over.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote:
>>>> In our township they passed an ordnance that requires you to have a
>>>> minimum of 10 acres in order to build, unless the property was
>>>> smaller than that prior to the passing of the ordnance. If it was,
>>>> you can build on it. This was done to keep developers from coming in
>>>> and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre parcel.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, here in Michigan, the local power utility has (had???)
>>>> a program to slow down urban sprawl and keep the power consumption
>>>> from getting out of hand. If you have a large parcel of land that
>>>> you are not farming, you can put that land into a land bank with the
>>>> utility. They will plant the property with trees and you agree not
>>>> to do any development on the property for something like the next 50
>>>> or 100 years. Your heirs would be legally bound by this agreement.
>>>> Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I remember right, you need
>>>> something like 100 acres to participate.
>>>>
>>>> Can’t say how successful they’ve been with this to date.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500 (EST)
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>>>>
>>>> Hi Farmer,
>>>> I live in Michigan, and here, provided the farm has been in existence
>>>> long enough, you can have it declared a Centennial Farm. What it boils
>>>> down to is it can be sold, but must remain in farming of some sort, 
>>>> and
>>>> not made into a subdivision. There are also tax incentives if I'm not
>>>> mistaken.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>>>> I have done my share of "temporary" installations that may have 
>>>>> been a
>>>>> little shaky as is common for old school farmers but my general plan
>>>>> most of my life has been to do things "code +" or to be more
>>>>> technical, "Hell for stout"...  😀
>>>>> I do find myself being less concerned these days about making sure
>>>>> that what I do will last 100 years. I'm still optimistic enough to
>>>>> pretend that I still need a 5 year plan but my old concept of a 20
>>>>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of weight.
>>>>> There are several reasons for that. The first is pretty obvious, one
>>>>> of those other reasons is that the farm I put my blood, sweat and
>>>>> tears in since 1951, which was a couple of miles out in the 
>>>>> country is
>>>>> now only about a quarter mile across a creek from a rapidly moving
>>>>> city limits... Land around me that I grew up farming either as rented
>>>>> land or as custom work is now infested with houses... The chances of
>>>>> this place falling victim to the bulldozers just keeps increasing. In
>>>>> recent years the words "eminent domain" are getting tossed around 
>>>>> more
>>>>> and more freely. (shrug)...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      Service pits are just pits.  Stamping press pits support very
>>>>>      large, very heavy equipment that creates high shock and 
>>>>> vibration
>>>>>      in service, enough to literally shake the ground, hence the
>>>>>      recommendation for a soil study.
>>>>>
>>>>>      SO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM Aaron Dickinson
>>>>>      <a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>          I supect most service pits are shallow enough to not
>>>>> require a
>>>>>          geotechnical report, however any building project’s
>>>>> foundation
>>>>>          design (including service pits) is based on soil bearing
>>>>>          capacity (at residential level often done by visiual or
>>>>>          typical for area). When it doubt build for the lesser
>>>>> bearing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          *From:* James Peck <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
>>>>>          *Sent:* ‎Wednesday‎, ‎December‎ ‎11‎, ‎2019 ‎12‎:‎36‎ ‎AM
>>>>>          *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>>>>          <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>          I believe Cecil mentioned he was involved with things
>>>>>          geotechnical. This talks about having a geotechnical report
>>>>>          before designing a stamping press pit.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.stampingjournal-digital.com/stampingjournal/20191112/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=26#pg26 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          I wonder if such a report is used in designing tractor
>>>>>          dealership service shops.
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>>>>> -- 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> Francis Robinson
>>>>> aka "farmer"
>>>>> Central Indiana USA
>>>>> robinson46176 at gmail.com <mailto:robinson46176 at gmail.com>
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