[AT] Big Truck Pickups

Mon Dec 2 11:48:02 PST 2019

Jim, count me as surprised to hear you label Lean as a "flavor of the day"

SO

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 2:22 PM macowboy <macowboy at comcast.net> wrote:

> The problem is see with Lean and other flavor of the day fixes is the lack
> of management support for the program. Management goes through the.motions
> to say that they have implemented a specific program with out understanding
> what resources are needed. I know firsthand of one company in RI that got
> state funding for Lean training but ended up just pocketing the money. The
> excuse was that it would not work at their company.  The persons company
> had a dramatic decrease in personnel and eventuality sold to a holding
> company. The former owner is now the executive director of a RI
> manufactures site.
>
> Don't forget to add six sigma to your lean program otherwise you will just
> make bad parts faster!
>
>
>
> Jim Thomson
> 401-339-6902
> Rehoboth, MA
>
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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/2/19 9:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Big Truck Pickups
>
> I agree that Lean principles are most naturally applied to production type
> environments.  But a good "Lean thinker" can apply tools such as the Five
> S's and the Seven Wastes to pretty much anything, including non-repetitive
> administrative tasks.
>
> SO
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:42 AM Mark Johnson <
> markjohnson100 at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
>> I should be more fair...the application of Lean did not cause the
>> financial difficulties - those are endemic to the company and have been for
>> a couple of decades - but the organization has not, in my view, benefited
>> significantly from their use. There is still (I left their employ about 15
>> months ago) a severe tendency toward administrative bloat and
>> decision-making that takes place at entirely too high a level. The local
>> site manager here doesn't even have the authority to close the office when
>> the weather is impossible (e.g., a 12-15 inch snow, which happened twice
>> while I worked there).
>>
>> Personally, I found the Lean principles to be viable but the company is
>> one of those "Lean in Name Only" users. I do question the use of Lean in
>> the delivery of IT services because they aren't a production line.  Each
>> customer's services are unique in many ways, and it seems really difficult
>> to create a standard service catalog.
>>
>> Mark J
>> On 12/1/2019 9:05 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>
>> Hold on a second there Mark.  Since I've already stated my position as a
>> proponent of Lean/TPS, I should probably play devil's advocate here.  You
>> imply the application of TPS has caused financial difficulties.  I suspect
>> the reality is the financial difficulties came first, TPS was perhaps one
>> of many tools employed to turn the barge around, and we have no way of
>> knowing whether the decline might have been even worse had they not tried
>> TPS.
>>
>> SO
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:30 AM Mark Johnson <
>> markjohnson100 at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A former employer (3-letter IT company with a 100+ year history,
>>> otherwise to remain nameless) has been trying to apply TPS to information
>>> technology services. Its NYSE stock price should tell you how successful
>>> they have been...
>>>
>>> Mark J
>>>
>>> Columbia, MO
>>> On 11/30/2019 7:27 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Absolutely. The Toyota Production System (TPS) is studied around the
>>> world and applied in every imaginable industry as "Lean Manufacturing" and
>>> in service industries like hospitals as simply "Lean".
>>>
>>> I have a couple decades of experience with Lean Mfg. and I would count
>>> myself as a proponent although I've also seen some of the Achilles' Heels.
>>> It is a very collaborative system at its core, and won't work well unless
>>> the entire workforce is engaged.  In short what I'm saying is that I cannot
>>> imagine a UAW shop embracing Lean.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 7:42 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Toyota does a really good job at controlling the manufacturing process.
>>>> Not so good at the attractive design process.  Toyota refused an offer to
>>>> take GM for free in the 2008 GM bankruptcy. That was an extremely wise
>>>> decision. Everything necessary to make GM work well would have been
>>>> politically unpopular.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, Toyota can manufacture cars and trucks in the US using
>>>> Americans and make money. There may be more.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer (soffiler at gmail.com);
>>>> So which automotive companies in your estimation are not run by cabbage
>>>> heads?
>>>>
>>>> James AT List Member (jamesgpeck at hotmail.com); They have cabbage heads
>>>> running Ford as well. The recent Ranger is far less attractive than the one
>>>> that preceded it.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer (soffiler at gmail.com);
>>>> <snip> I've paid so little attention to the return of the Ranger that I
>>>> barely could tell you it exists.  <snip>
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