[AT] [External] Re: Ford 8N (and a few others) 3 point booster

Wed Aug 28 11:51:11 PDT 2019

If the pressures are equal to all the cylinders, you are still adding
square inches of cylinder size, so capacity would be greater. Like going
from a 2 inch diameter cylinder to a 4 inch.

Dave Maynard
The Maple Hill Farm
Marion, NY

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 2:22 PM Gunnells, Brad R <brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu>
wrote:

> Hahaha…that’s funny about the mirrors Dean. But to be honest I’m not sure
> if I’ve ever tried to adjust the mirrors on my ’02 F-250.
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> Looking at that pic Farmer provided I wondered just how much lift those
> added cylinders provide. Seems like they attach to the pin at the top of
> the 3pt lift arms. That can’t be much more than ½ or 5/8 rod. So I’d think
> they’d bend and pop off without a great deal of effort.
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> Brad
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> *From: *AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of "
> deanvp at att.net" <deanvp at att.net>
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> *Date: *Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 12:33 PM
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> *Subject: *[External] Re: [AT] Ford 8N (and a few others) 3 point booster
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> Farmer,
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> That is really interesting. I too have not seen anything quite like this.
> Not sure how that would impact or interfere with the top link sensing load
> and depth control. But… if the hydraulic feed to those two cylinders is
> coming from the same place as the inside piston. that drives the two lift
> arms. then it might not really have that much impact on the load and depth
> sensing. But it would be considerably stronger if there is enough extra
> hydraulic pressure to provide the extra boost. However, I wouldn’t think
> this would be needed for normal three point tillage implements  but for a
> tool that requires an abnormal lift capacity such as a boom or a bucket.
> I’ve not seen the rear mounted manure loaders on a Ford N series.  I do
> find it interesting that the hydraulic pump has the excess capacity to
> provide more lift capacity to the lift arms via external cylinders.  If so
> why wasn’t it channeled to the internal lift cylinder to begin with.
> Safety factor??? Design tolerance??  How much can be lifted  by the three
> point without the front end coming off the ground or becoming light enough
> to be dangerous?  The whole weight distribution equation is different on
> Fords vs JD’s which I am more familiar with. JD Two Cylinders have about
> 70% of their overall weight on the rear axle where I suspect N Series Fords
> are just the opposite.  On Two Cylinder JD’s we constantly fight getting
> enough weight on the front end for 3 point hitch lift capacity and N Series
> Fords the whole beauty of the three point hitch was the added virtual rear
> wheel weight due to load and depth sensing.  The N Series Fords are ungodly
> light in the rear end and really handicapped for traction w/o the three
> point load. So… did the front end come off the ground with this added lift
> capacity under heavier loads and become unsafe?  In todays world of
> opportunistic litigation would this option provide an path for the legal
> leaches?  Interestingly this kind of completes a full circle.  Harry
> Ferguson’s early work on hitches, that eventually became the Ferguson
> System, was to try to find a way to stop the Fordson’s from having their
> front ends come up and over and killing the operator.  BTW, I too cannot
> turn my head and or body enough to see anything clearly behind me. When I
> was younger I would get impatient with older drivers who took so long to
> back up. Now that I have joined the “old fart” club I completely
> understand. I depend on mirrors a whole lot more than I used to and they
> are not without their limitations either. I tend to avoid parking where I
> have to back up in crowded areas.  But… embarrassingly there are little
> things that can help. I’ve owned my 2003 Ford F250 7.3L Diesel truck since
> new which now has around 190,000 miles on it. One would think I would know
> the damned thing inside out but just this week I learned something about
> the driver’s door rear view mirrors that I never knew before. It is
> embarrassing. As long as I have owned the truck I have never been
> completely satisfied with the rear view angle of the big mirror vs the
> close in view of the convex lower mirror. I would adjust the whole assembly
> to reach some kind of acceptable compromise. Just this week I
> realized/discovered that the lower convex rear view mirror can be adjusted
> independently. Duh. Where has my head been at?  There is a whole new world
> out their on busy freeway’s and Interstates for me now. Now, I’m trying to
> get used to how far away a vehicle really is vs the false impression one
> gets with a convex mirror.  16 years of ignorance. Maybe I should read the
> owner’s manual.  😊 Ve get too soon oldt and too late smardt! Really
> Embarrassing.
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> Dean VP
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> Snohomish, WA 98290
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> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Indiana
> Robinson
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2019 5:55 PM
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> *Subject:* [AT] Ford 8N (and a few others) 3 point booster
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> I spotted this lift booster at the Portland IN show and have never seen
> one quite like it. I have been wondering if it was a general purpose thing
> or if if was made to be used with a specific 3 point manure loader?
>
> Those 3 point rear loaders were fairly common in the 1940's and early
> 1950's. I used one as a kid until we got a front end loader about 1954. It
> was not bad but did lack the ability to break packed manure free. We got
> past that by using the Deere MC (and later the 40C) with the dozer blade to
> push the manure out of the barn into a big loose pile them putting it into
> the spreader with the rear loader.
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> Today I couldn't possibly mount enough mirrors on a tractor to be able to
> see back to use a rear loader and I sure can't crank my neck around enough
> to do it.  :-)
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>  This booster was plumbed from the fitting under the transmission direct
> to the cylinders and there was no extra pump or controls involved.
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> Francis Robinson
> aka "farmer"
> Central Indiana USA
> robinson46176 at gmail.com
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