[AT] HayWagon build up.

[Grant Brians]

I think  I mentioned years ago on the list that I have relatives in 
Illinois. When I visited them in the 60's, my greatuncles used the hay 
wagons like the pictured one in the start of this thread with the 
"little tiny light bales" that were baled there. Of course as all of the 
long time list members know that bale description is because three wire 
bales were the norm here in California until the changeover to synthetic 
twine in the 80s and even then the bales were still no lighter than 17 
to the ton usually.
      I remember helping cousins stack some of those two twine bales 
when I was 7 years old.... Even then I could move them. If it had been a 
California bale that would not have worked. Some of those Illinois farms 
used conveyors to get the bales into their haylofts (another item we do 
not have except in a very, very few barns). and I remember watching a 
man toss them from the wagon bed up into the opening of the hayloft on a 
farm where he was not using a conveyor. Looking back I realize how he 
must have been REALLY sturdy even with the light bales to do that. Maybe 
he was showing off to the kids like me at the time?
       In those visits in the 1960s, I saw lots of those hay wagons but 
did not ever pull one as my relatives only trusted me to "drive" the 
tractors without a trailer. Remember I was 5 when I "drove" for the 
first time and I did not buy my first tractor until I was 14 years old. 
I did regularly drive the tractors and trucks that belonged to the 
farmer I started working for as a 14 year old after school and on summer 
break. I had to speak Spanish though because most of his employees were 
from Mexico and not able to speak English. I remember the first time I 
was moving irrigation pipe with those workers and had to carry and load 
one half of each 40' or 50' pipe that was 8" or 10" in diameter. Even 
though they were Aluminum, that is a bit of weight and slightly awkward 
for a 14 year old who the previous year had lived in a suburb and market 
gardened an acre....
                  Grant Brians - Hollister,California farmer
        On 11/1/2017 4:47 PM, John Hall wrote:
> Grant, if you have never seen those, then you may well be surprised to
> see hay wagons with tandem rear axles and even tandem front axles. I've
> been around lots of wagons, but only in the last few years did I ever
> see a tandem rear axle setup and it was on Craigslist. Just this summer
> I saw an ad for a new wagon with tandem front and rear (I assume it is a
> 5th wheel style). You would be hard pressed to use anything that big
> here as our fields are so "twisty" you would have a hard time keeping
> the load on. I have to be careful as it is if I fill a wagon full (125
> bales) so I can get to the shed without losing some as the 2 ways to the
> shed are both downhill and a pretty serious twist.
>
> John Hall
>
>
> On 11/1/2017 11:00 AM, Grant Brians wrote:
>> That looks like a nice solid trailer. Here in California I have never
>> seen a John Deere or Oliver or IH Hay Wagon. Lots of shopmade and trucks
>> were and are used, though.
>>               Grant Brians  - Hollister,California farmer
>>
>> On 10/30/2017 5:39 PM, John Hall wrote:
>>> Deere wagon, mid to late 70's model.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
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