[AT] "older men" and change

[Stephen Offiler]

Haven't looked at the links yet but I plan to do so.  This is reminding me
of ridiculous advertised HP ratings on shop vacs and circular saws.  I want
to say I recall a 6.5HP shop vac, and it might very well have been Sears.
This was years ago, but still...

Also, I was helping a friend repower a log splitter recently, and using the
Northern site, I quickly realized they're now using displacement and torque
rather than HP.  At the time I made a mental note to dig into that, and
well, that note must have been sucked into the black hole that used to be
my memory.  So I'm happy this comes up here, as it reminds me, I'm curious
about the story.

Final comment is that once you choose any particular engine on the Northern
site, with a few more clicks you can generally find out the HP.   For
example this Honda GX390:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_376_376

Scroll to Specs and observe it is 11.7 HP at 3600 rpm.  Better yet... hit
the "Dimensions" link and get an actual chart of HP and T.


SO




On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:26 AM, Steve W. <swilliams268 at frontier.com>
wrote:

> Greg Hass wrote:
> > I think this is tractor related as it affects much of what we do. My 30
> > year old skid steer has been down for over a year but due to health
> > problems just got to pulling the engine yesterday. It is a Honda 24 hp.
> > engine I put in less than 200 hours ago. At one third throttle it will
> > go through a quart of oil in 5 minutes. I think the seal behind the
> > flywheel came out but have not torn it down yet. Last night just for the
> > heck of it I looked in the northern tool catalog I recently got to see
> > what a new engine would cost. NONE of the engines are listed by
> > horsepower but by cc. and torque. Well I know that means something to
> > somebody but not me. I have better things to do (a nap comes to mind)
> > than try and convert those figures. Also, I'm not sure of conversions;
> > for instance, my Farmall Cub is rated at 10 hp. and is a c60 running at
> > 1800 RPM. The Cub power unit on our IH 64 combine was also a c60 but ran
> > at 2900 RPM giving it about 18 hp. so I'm not sure you can go by
> > displacement. HP rating have worked for a hundred years why change now.
> > Call on a new tractor and they will give you engine horse; that may be
> > all and good but only drawbar horse will tell me how many plows I can
> > pull. A couple of years ago my brother bought a 10,000 watt generator.
> > He got it home a fueled it up and was test running it when he happened
> > to glance at the box it came in. In big letters it said 10,000 watts,
> > but in small print under that it said starting watts. Also in small
> > print it said 8000 watts running. Turns out when the salesman was
> > showing the forklift driver which generator to load he just looked at
> > the top number and took that one . My brother had already used it so now
> > he is stuck. Have we reached the point where all people can do is
> > deceive us?  Old man rant over.
> >          Greg Hass
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> If you want to read the long reason why this is the new normal just
> google sears horsepower lawsuit.
>
> Basically, Sears and Toro, Deere & Co., Tecumseh Products Co., Briggs &
> Stratton Corp., Kawasaki Motors Corp. USA, MTD Products Inc., American
> Honda Motor Co., Electrolux Home Products Inc., Kohler Co., Platinum
> Equity LLC and Husqvarna Outdoor Products Inc. Were all sued for
> misrepresenting the HP numbers on various pieces of equipment they sold
> from 1994 through 2010 or so.
>
> https://www.law360.com/articles/77437/sears-others-
> lied-about-lawn-mower-power-suit
> http://madisonrecord.com/stories/510566240-sears-and-
> other-big-names-sued-over-lawnmower-horsepower
>
>
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> Steve W.
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