[AT] is it about farming and tractors and all the good FARM stuff.

[Cecil Bearden]

I have a 2-105 White that my Dad bought for me nearly 20 years ago..  If 
you scrape a little of the black paint off the cast iron belly, you find 
the Oliver green.   It is basically an 1850 Oliver with a row crop 
adjustable front end and a lighter plastic radiator grill instead of the 
old Oliver cast iron grill.  My biggest objection to the white is the 
closed center hydraulic system with a noisy Vickers hydraulic pump.   
The tractor has a 3 point hitch but it was taken off when the lift  
cylinders developed leaks and it due to the closed center system it 
leaked over 3 gallons of oil a day.  The external has triple remotes, 
but you have to kill the engine, get a 5/8 inch steel punch and hammer 
and drive the sealing ball in the quick coupler to release the built up 
pressure in the hoses.  The rear of the tractor is so cluttered there is 
no room for the remotes and the 3 point hitch.    I hope to get it back 
running again as it is one of my cab tractors.  At this time the PTO is 
stuck into 1000 RPM and the PTO gearbox has to be removed off the rear 
end to get inside and remove the 1000Rpm shaft.  This happened when I 
did not do the correct sequence to switch from 1000 to 540PTO shafts.   
The old 7030 Allis on the other hand, has an open center hydraulic 
system that is much simpler and higher flow capacity, and the PTO is 
changed from 540 to 1000 just by unbolting the PTO shaft from the 
tractor and turning it around and bolting it back up.   Both tractors 
were built in the same years.    Those White tractors were really 
beautiful when they came out!!  I remember one at a farm I passed on the 
way to and from OK State Univ.  back in the early 70's.   That silver 
and black was really a pretty tractor!!.  25 years later, I got one of 
them.   The 2-105 White was very much like the 4020 John Deere, there 
are still a lot of them around Northern OK.  The transmission shifter 
was very stiff and awkward so that it was not a real good tractor for a 
loader. The weakest point was the 3 speed auxiliary transmission between 
the engine and transmission.  A lot of them have had the 3 speed 
replaced with a shaft.  One of the good points to the White and the 
oliver tractors with the big cast Iron belly pan was that you could pull 
the engine and replace the clutch without splitting the tractor.  We had 
an 1850 Oliver, and a G1000 Moline before the 2-105 White.   We 
completely overhauled the Moline Propane engine and then spent nearly 
the same amount on the 2 speed auxiliary that we spent on a complete 
engine overhaul...  The Moline had a rough life before we got it..  The 
heat shield between the engine and the propane tank was missing.  If you 
were discing or plowing on a hot day, the propane tank would build 
pressure and the popoff valve would blast out on the left side of the 
tank.  Dad was driving it the first time it happened and he nearly 
jumped out of the cab!!   It would really make you want to leave the 
seat!  I was buying oilfield pipe and equipment from a stripper lease 
around here, and I would use that tractor and a special trailer I built 
to go get stuff.  The tractor would run nearly 30mph on the road, and 
had a 3 point lift that would raise a house..   I modified an old 
forklift mast to mount on the 3 point of the tractor.   We finally sold 
the tractor to a fellow who loved Molines and had to deliver it about 60 
miles away.  The worst thing about the moline was that there was always 
a bolt holding any piece that you needed to remove that was accessible 
only by removing another piece.  There mountings were bolted from both 
sides.  Once they were bolted together, they did not come loose. The 
engine was especially built this way.  It took hours to tear down and 
rebuild that engine..

I made this too long, but at least it is about tractors....

Cecil in OKla

On 2/9/2017 9:07 PM, John Hall wrote:
> I did have a cousin that bought a White back in the late 70's/early
> 80's. His "reputation" pretty much knocked him out of getting a new
> tractor from the IH and Deere dealers, that's about all we had here
> other than a Massey dealer in Siler City.
>
> John
>
> On 2/9/2017 9:08 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>> Yea, White never inroads around here it would seem.  I always thought that was a bit odd considering Oliver had a presence.  The few Whites I  know of were bought used out of the area and brought in.
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:02 PM, John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How about a few pics of those tractors? You see a few White tractors
>>> down Charlie Hills way, but none up here, probably the same for Spencers
>>> area too.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>>
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