[AT] is it about farming and tractors and all the good FARM stuff.

Fri Feb 10 07:18:29 PST 2017

Cecil.  Try this first.   Stop the tractor and loosen the shifter on bottom right of the pto housing.  Is it in or out?  The case will have 540 and 1000 position stamped on it.  Be careful with the shifter.  When in it will rest in a grove.  Then back of a hair and tighten the set nut.

Ok.   With the shifter in either position try light taps with a hammer.   Do not hit the splines.  Next take the 4 bolts out of the pto (all sides of the pto shaft).  I bet it is stuck.  Its worth a little time to work on it.  I have had some really stuborn ones (bearing rusted).   Once you free it shaft will turn and u can shift either way.

If u need to remove the pto unit replace the clutch.   We made some simple compression tools and can have the unit out and back in (2 hrs).

If u do remove the pto......its heavy.   Use a shop floor crane with wheels.   Two guys work best.  When re installed have pipe over the pto output shaft to steer back into place.   I know the 105, 135, 2-150 and 4-150 all have that housing.  The 155 and 2-180 are straight 1000.

The g1000 vista and 1355  will be another post.

Can not resist this.   Neighor and dad traded his chisel power for our offset disc for a week.  Neighbor told me I had to have duels and lots of front end weight on my mm G1000 Vista.   He was so sure I would not be able to pull it that he followed me to the field to TELL ME SO!!!!

I dropped the chisel and pulled thru very wet field (july) and never spun a tire.   Neighbor left with out a word.   (Hint, his was green [😊] 4020)  same hp.

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Subject: Re: [AT] is it about farming and tractors and all the good FARM stuff.

I have a 2-105 White that my Dad bought for me nearly 20 years ago..  If
you scrape a little of the black paint off the cast iron belly, you find
the Oliver green.   It is basically an 1850 Oliver with a row crop
adjustable front end and a lighter plastic radiator grill instead of the
old Oliver cast iron grill.  My biggest objection to the white is the
closed center hydraulic system with a noisy Vickers hydraulic pump.
The tractor has a 3 point hitch but it was taken off when the lift
cylinders developed leaks and it due to the closed center system it
leaked over 3 gallons of oil a day.  The external has triple remotes,
but you have to kill the engine, get a 5/8 inch steel punch and hammer
and drive the sealing ball in the quick coupler to release the built up
pressure in the hoses.  The rear of the tractor is so cluttered there is
no room for the remotes and the 3 point hitch.    I hope to get it back
running again as it is one of my cab tractors.  At this time the PTO is
stuck into 1000 RPM and the PTO gearbox has to be removed off the rear
end to get inside and remove the 1000Rpm shaft.  This happened when I
did not do the correct sequence to switch from 1000 to 540PTO shafts.
The old 7030 Allis on the other hand, has an open center hydraulic
system that is much simpler and higher flow capacity, and the PTO is
changed from 540 to 1000 just by unbolting the PTO shaft from the
tractor and turning it around and bolting it back up.   Both tractors
were built in the same years.    Those White tractors were really
beautiful when they came out!!  I remember one at a farm I passed on the
way to and from OK State Univ.  back in the early 70's.   That silver
and black was really a pretty tractor!!.  25 years later, I got one of
them.   The 2-105 White was very much like the 4020 John Deere, there
are still a lot of them around Northern OK.  The transmission shifter
was very stiff and awkward so that it was not a real good tractor for a
loader. The weakest point was the 3 speed auxiliary transmission between
the engine and transmission.  A lot of them have had the 3 speed
replaced with a shaft.  One of the good points to the White and the
oliver tractors with the big cast Iron belly pan was that you could pull
the engine and replace the clutch without splitting the tractor.  We had
an 1850 Oliver, and a G1000 Moline before the 2-105 White.   We
completely overhauled the Moline Propane engine and then spent nearly
the same amount on the 2 speed auxiliary that we spent on a complete
engine overhaul...  The Moline had a rough life before we got it..  The
heat shield between the engine and the propane tank was missing.  If you
were discing or plowing on a hot day, the propane tank would build
pressure and the popoff valve would blast out on the left side of the
tank.  Dad was driving it the first time it happened and he nearly
jumped out of the cab!!   It would really make you want to leave the
seat!  I was buying oilfield pipe and equipment from a stripper lease
around here, and I would use that tractor and a special trailer I built
to go get stuff.  The tractor would run nearly 30mph on the road, and
had a 3 point lift that would raise a house..   I modified an old
forklift mast to mount on the 3 point of the tractor.   We finally sold
the tractor to a fellow who loved Molines and had to deliver it about 60
miles away.  The worst thing about the moline was that there was always
a bolt holding any piece that you needed to remove that was accessible
only by removing another piece.  There mountings were bolted from both
sides.  Once they were bolted together, they did not come loose. The
engine was especially built this way.  It took hours to tear down and
rebuild that engine..

I made this too long, but at least it is about tractors....

Cecil in OKla

On 2/9/2017 9:07 PM, John Hall wrote:
> I did have a cousin that bought a White back in the late 70's/early
> 80's. His "reputation" pretty much knocked him out of getting a new
> tractor from the IH and Deere dealers, that's about all we had here
> other than a Massey dealer in Siler City.
>
> John
>
> On 2/9/2017 9:08 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>> Yea, White never inroads around here it would seem.  I always thought that was a bit odd considering Oliver had a presence.  The few Whites I  know of were bought used out of the area and brought in.
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:02 PM, John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How about a few pics of those tractors? You see a few White tractors
>>> down Charlie Hills way, but none up here, probably the same for Spencers
>>> area too.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
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