[AT] OT LED question

[Stephen Offiler]

I think I might have paid $10-$15 or maybe even a bit more, but only for
two very specific bulbs, my BR30's mentioned in my earlier email.  This is
because I was dragging out a fairly big stepladder every 6-8 months to
replace the incandescents in the track lighting on the cathedral ceiling in
my kitchen, and it was WELL worth a few bucks, to me, to purchase some long
term reliability.  Admittedly I was not certain the LED's would last, but,
now it's been 3-4 years and I'm very happy.

SO


On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:

> I am a late adopter of LED bulb, because there was no way in hell I was
> paying $10-$15 per bulb. The math would never add up. Now that they are
> in the $2.50 range, I consider that reasonable. With regard to my grumpy
> old man side, I have a huge complaint with the power company. 3 months
> ago these SOB's slapped a smart meter on my house. The next month I had
> the highest power bill I have had in the 5  years we've been in this
> house. The next month my bill was 22% higher over last years bill, and I
> had taken action to unplug and disconnect every high consumption
> appliance we had. I called the POCO and they are sending someone out to
> check the meter for accuracy. And to top it all off I have had roaring
> tinnitus ever since that damn thing was installed.
>
> Rant off,
>
> Mike M
>
>
> On 11/2/2016 5:31 PM, Dave wrote:
> > You must BOTH be wrong! The government has told all of us about the
> goodness of LED bulbs and our government would never lie to us. That’s why
> I have already cast my vote for the Next President of our nation!
> >       Dave
> > PS, Don’t be grumpy. THEY will take care of ALL of us!
> >
> >> On Nov 2, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> To add to what Spencer said, this, even grumpier, old man knows that the
> >> failure rate of most LED's is pretty dismal.  Actually, I believe it's
> the
> >> drivers that fail.
> >>
> >> I like not using as much electricity and I like the almost instant-on in
> >> super cold temps but that all comes at a price.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You folks know me:   I try really hard to not be that grumpy old man
> that
> >>> says everything new is terrible.  In fact I don't even have to try all
> that
> >>> hard.  Adapting comes naturally.
> >>>
> >>> However I am that grumpy old man when it comes to light bulbs tho....
>  I
> >>> hate CFLs and LEDs.   None of them last like they claim and the light
> >>> quality stinks.
> >>>
> >>> You have my sympathy.
> >>>
> >>> Tractor/ATIS reference:
> >>>
> >>> General purpose LED bulbs are  not dimmable without side effects,  for
> >>> enclosed housings or rough service.   In fact one LED in a dimmable
> circuit
> >>> would make my UPS (that keeps ATIS up during power outages) transformer
> >>> hum. It was the weirdest thing.   Slide the dimmer down halfway and
> the UPS
> >>> would make a racket.   All the way up and it would be fine.
>  Completely
> >>> different circuits too.   The bulb itself would dim fine without
> effect but
> >>> my UPS hated it.
> >>>
> >>> Spencer Yost
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, <rlgoss at twc.com> <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I had that happen on an LED desk lamp.  It turned out that one portion
> >>> of the circuitry went open-circuit and the lamp was working at about
> half.
> >>> The store gave me a replacement for it and everything has been fine
> since
> >>> then.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>>
> >>>> ---- Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Based on the discussion here a little over a year ago, I put some LED
> >>>>> lights here and there.  One being in the kitchen.  Seemed good.
> However,
> >>>>> lately I have been having trouble seeing well in the kitchen.  Just
> >>>>> seemed like there was not enough light.  I just screwed the CREE LED
> out
> >>>>> and installed one of my old 100W incandescent bulbs.  Holy
> Smokes!!!!  I
> >>>>> can see again.  I was getting worried about my eyes.  Why has this
> >>>>> expensive LED bulb dimmed down??  I think the govmnt stuck it to us
> >>>>> again like the digital television signal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ron
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