[AT] OT LED question

[Mike M]

I am a late adopter of LED bulb, because there was no way in hell I was 
paying $10-$15 per bulb. The math would never add up. Now that they are 
in the $2.50 range, I consider that reasonable. With regard to my grumpy 
old man side, I have a huge complaint with the power company. 3 months 
ago these SOB's slapped a smart meter on my house. The next month I had 
the highest power bill I have had in the 5  years we've been in this 
house. The next month my bill was 22% higher over last years bill, and I 
had taken action to unplug and disconnect every high consumption 
appliance we had. I called the POCO and they are sending someone out to 
check the meter for accuracy. And to top it all off I have had roaring 
tinnitus ever since that damn thing was installed.

Rant off,

Mike M


On 11/2/2016 5:31 PM, Dave wrote:
> You must BOTH be wrong! The government has told all of us about the goodness of LED bulbs and our government would never lie to us. That’s why I have already cast my vote for the Next President of our nation!
> 	Dave
> PS, Don’t be grumpy. THEY will take care of ALL of us!
>
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> To add to what Spencer said, this, even grumpier, old man knows that the
>> failure rate of most LED's is pretty dismal.  Actually, I believe it's the
>> drivers that fail.
>>
>> I like not using as much electricity and I like the almost instant-on in
>> super cold temps but that all comes at a price.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You folks know me:   I try really hard to not be that grumpy old man that
>>> says everything new is terrible.  In fact I don't even have to try all that
>>> hard.  Adapting comes naturally.
>>>
>>> However I am that grumpy old man when it comes to light bulbs tho....   I
>>> hate CFLs and LEDs.   None of them last like they claim and the light
>>> quality stinks.
>>>
>>> You have my sympathy.
>>>
>>> Tractor/ATIS reference:
>>>
>>> General purpose LED bulbs are  not dimmable without side effects,  for
>>> enclosed housings or rough service.   In fact one LED in a dimmable circuit
>>> would make my UPS (that keeps ATIS up during power outages) transformer
>>> hum. It was the weirdest thing.   Slide the dimmer down halfway and the UPS
>>> would make a racket.   All the way up and it would be fine.   Completely
>>> different circuits too.   The bulb itself would dim fine without effect but
>>> my UPS hated it.
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, <rlgoss at twc.com> <rlgoss at twc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had that happen on an LED desk lamp.  It turned out that one portion
>>> of the circuitry went open-circuit and the lamp was working at about half.
>>> The store gave me a replacement for it and everything has been fine since
>>> then.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> ---- Ron Cook <ron at lakeport-1.com> wrote:
>>>>> Based on the discussion here a little over a year ago, I put some LED
>>>>> lights here and there.  One being in the kitchen.  Seemed good. However,
>>>>> lately I have been having trouble seeing well in the kitchen.  Just
>>>>> seemed like there was not enough light.  I just screwed the CREE LED out
>>>>> and installed one of my old 100W incandescent bulbs.  Holy Smokes!!!!  I
>>>>> can see again.  I was getting worried about my eyes.  Why has this
>>>>> expensive LED bulb dimmed down??  I think the govmnt stuck it to us
>>>>> again like the digital television signal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
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