[AT] more old balers

[Ken Knierim]

I think the Wisconsin on that was a VH4D, rated at 30 horsepower, and got
loud under load as it only had a baffle, not a muffler.

the 4020 should have no problems powering it. No experience with a 454.

Ken in AZ

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:59 AM, John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Thanks Ken, glad to hear you had good luck with it. What size engine was
> on it, a 4 cylinder? My Super 66 has a 2 cylinder and we know when we
> get to pushing a little hard as the governors really make it bark and
> the belts start to squeal. The baler I am looking at is PTO drive, we'll
> either pull it with a 454 IH or 4020 Deere.
>
> John Hall
>
>
> On 6/18/2016 4:32 PM, Ken Knierim wrote:
> > We ran a 282 for years (eastern Montana) and had good service. I heard a
> > lot of folks cuss Wisconsins but the one on this 282 always started and
> ran
> > fine if you primed the fuel pump (manual lever on the pump). Run good
> > twine, make sure you have a supply of shear pins and maintain it and
> it'll
> > do well. (I think my uncle still has it after 40 years) They are heavy;
> it
> > was a bit much for the 9N to drag around fast. The JD A did well because
> > it's got a wide torque band and we could throttle back for heavy
> windrows.
> > We used it like a variable speed to get somewhere between 18 and 22
> strokes
> > per bale (if I remember. it's been 30 years...). That baler tended to
> > either shake the hitches loose or OFF the tractor it was coupled to.
> (the A
> > never fully recovered).
> >
> > One failure we saw repeatedly was it would break the axle on the heavy
> > side. This was because it had a dual tire (factory option maybe?) on that
> > side to prevent it from sinking into soft ground and it end-loaded
> > (cantilevered?) the shaft and broke it from time to time (I remember at
> > least twice; once I about ate the steering wheel and the 9N front came
> WAY
> > up before I clutched). If you break the axle and drop the baler the cage
> > under the needles can get bent. We always checked it to make sure it
> didn't
> > get too far out of line. And if it's been sitting awhile you may want to
> > make sure the plunger block/interlock on the needles is free and smooth.
> It
> > blocks the plunger if the needles are cycling and if it doesn't pull back
> > when they're done the main flywheel shear pin dies. There's also a shear
> > pin on the knotter drive and they're different sizes. We would hit heavy
> > enough material (or a tree branch!) or it would work loose occasionally
> and
> > we would loose a main flywheel shear pin about weekly under heavy
> service.
> > We kept the toolbox stocked. I'd look to see if someone has used regular
> > bolts rather than genuine parts (NH's were black oxide and had a
> > distinctive locknut). We were warned not to use regular bolts because it
> > might take out the plunger gearbox.
> >
> > In retrospect I would probably look at a that axle and use a wider single
> > rim these days and run a lower tire pressure to absorb rough ground
> impact.
> > Watch for standard wear parts (we used it enough we had to replace pickup
> > teeth and guards and some idlers several times) and grease it regularly
> > (Dad's mantra). Not sure about parts availability but I ran it when
> fairly
> > new. I don't recall replacing much beyond a few wear parts unless we fed
> it
> > a badger hole or some wood. Get a manual though; it'll tell you how to
> set
> > up the timing if you have to replace a chain or something and you want
> that
> > right.
> >
> > They (uncles and Dad) had a tractor-pulled New Holland bale wagon and we
> > made a fair number of bales per year.
> >
> > I can still hear that Wisconsin wailing and the kaLUMPachikaLUMPachika of
> > the plungers and tines. :)
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Ken in AZ
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 10:39 AM, John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I guess this is kind of on topic since these are 40+ years old.
> >>
> >> Went today to look at a 273 New Holland baler. Not too bad but mighty
> >> rusty, been sitting outside. Price is a little high if you ask me. Next
> >> stop I looked at a 282 New Holland--big son of a gun. My understanding
> >> is it has a larger bale chamber and is supposedly a big capacity baler.
> >> Has hydraulic bale tensioner--never seen one around here. Also has close
> >> together pick-up fingers. Its shed kept, off of a dairy farm. Hasn't
> >> been ran in 20 years or so, alttle rusty from sitting. Anything I should
> >> watch out for on the 282?
> >>
> >> John Hall
> >>
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