[AT] Tractors and other stuff...

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Thu Dec 15 11:34:11 PST 2016


Sorta like owning a boat.......

Phil in TX

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From: Al Jones <farmallsupera1 at gmail.com>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:03:16 -0500

The two happiest days of horse ownership: They day you bring it home
for the first time, and the day it leaves (in its new owner's trailer)
for the last time!

Al

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
> During the 10 years my wife owned a Quarter horse, one thing we were
> concerned about was when and if we ever needed to call a veterinarian. That
> can be a major expense.   Fortunately my wife learned how to give shots and
> did treat a hoof nail puncture after the horse knocked off one of the boards
> on our 1600 feet of 3 board fence.   Never had to call the vet during the
> horse ownership. We were very fortunate. The farrier alone was a expense of
> ownership that adds up really fast. Finding the right kind of hay was also a
> chore. But she enjoyed the time she had.  One day the horse came home
> without her. My wife had passed out and fallen into a ditch. Fortunately a
> neighbor found her and took her home. She had had a minor prescription drug
> induced stroke.  Unfortunately we had to sell the horse for about half of
> what we paid for it but it also was 10 years older.  The horse name was
> Peaches.  One thing I learned during our ownership was not to fire up a two
> cylinder tractor around the corner of the barn while my wife was grooming
> the horse.  She has not yet forgiven me for that. :-)  It could have been
> much worse,
>
> Dean VP
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 5:47 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>
> Cecil,  a lot of things have changed in our lives but the art of horse
> trading apparently is still very much an art form possessed by only a few!
> And I'm not one of the few!  I know a wee bit about horses from being around
> friends who own
> them but not near enough to try and buy or sell them.  Not even close.   All
>
> I know is
> that even if you own land and have good pasture a horse is at a minimum
> about a
> $200.00 a month habit and if you have to board them and feed them bought hay
> and feed and pay vet and farrier  bills it can be a LOT more than that.
>
> I like horses you start with a key.  You only have to feed them when you
> ride them.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Bearden
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 5:07 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>
> Amen to that Charlie!
>
> Cecil
>
>
> On 12/11/2016 3:47 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Cecil, from what I can tell from my horsey friends, Horses are always
>> expensive when you buy them and impossible to sell when you need to
>> sell them.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil Bearden
>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:52 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>
>> Sounds like the horse market here.  When the oil patch was going
>> great, horses were $1000 & up for anything standing upright. Now, you
>> cannot give them away.  I have 2 that I have to feed just because my
>> wife is afraid no one else would take care of them the way we do, and
>> does not want them split up.  Mare & colt that have been together over 6
> years...
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/2016 9:24 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> I have a very rare Pepsi Cola bottle only produced in New Bern, NC
>>> for 1 year about 1911 if I remember right.  A decade ago I could have
>>> sold it for around $2000.00 I recently found one like it on Ebay.  It
>>> wasn't in near as good shape as mine but
>>> it was for sale for $500.00.    So it's not just the antique tractor
>>> world
>>> that is in a funk.
>>> Also, collector cars are down except for some really high end stuff.
>>> Hopefully we are
>>> about to see things turn around.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Williams
>>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 9:11 PM
>>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>
>>> We get so used to values rising for so many years, it surprises us if
>>> they drop.  I saw that on an episode of "American Pickers", where
>>> someone had some toy or something and was explaining how much it had
>>> been worth 10 years ago, and was worth a lot less now.  When you
>>> spend 30 or more years watching values go only one way, seeing the
>>> market soften can be a shock - so much that some won't believe it.
>>> I'm sure there are a lot of old tractors sitting unsold for months
>>> and years because sellers aren't interested in dropping the price
>>> until it sells.  Just waiting for someone to finally pay "what it's
>>> worth."
>>>
>>> Still, I'm sure there are places where localized interest makes
>>> values far higher than the larger market.  Spotting those is always
>>> tricky, and can even be a way to make money...
>>>
>>> Scott in Penfield NY
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
>>> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 6:37 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>
>>> I'll take your word for it! Around here anything green goes for more
>>> money--whether its newer or older. It's largely due to marketing. You
>>> may be right about no market due to aging collectors. I have a
>>> feeling that a lot of us are going to wind up with tractors worth a
>>> lot less than what they were back in the 90's.
>>>
>>> I just listed dad's thresher for sale and have had no interest.  If
>>> it doesn't sell I may tow it to the scrapyard come
>>> springtime--horrible thing to do to a running machine but when there
>>> are no buyers there is no alternative. Can't find any antique clubs
>>> interested in it. The last few years our antique club existed,
>>> practically no one would watch us thresh, folks just were not
>>> interested.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2016 11:08 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I don' know about your area but the market for antique tractors is
>>>> quite soft where I get exposed to it.  The 39 and 40 B's are
>>>> probably the least desired JD letter Series tractors for reasons
>>>> that may be phony but they exist.  The 39 and 40 hand start B wasn't
>>>> a huge change from the late unstyled JD B's and some call then an
>>>> unstyled B with styled tin.  Only a 3 speed transmission and high
>>>> gear isn't high enough to take on a tractor ride. However, I own two
>>>> 1940 B's but they are
>>> a bit unique in that they
>>>> both have Electric Lights and Electric Starting.   They are little more
>>>> desired as collector tractors because JD only manufactured them with
>>>> those options in the Model year 1940. 1939 and 1940 Hand Start B's
>>>> could be retrofitted to have those features after purchase. However,
>>>> JD did not record in their manufacturing records how many were built
>>>> in that configuration. It is estimated only approximately 5%  of the
>>>> 1939 and 1940 B have Eclectic Lights and/or Electric Starting.
>>>> Those configured like that have a little higher market value than
>>>> the Hand Start
>>> versions.
>>>> In the case of Spencer's B,  a significant part of the marker value
>>>> is heavily influenced by the relatively new tires. With tires
>>>> needing replacement, its market value would be even lower.  New
>>>> tires have become a very significant portion of a tractor's value.
>>>> Market value varies quite a bit around the US with the Eastern US
>>>> typically being the highest.  When agricultural commodity prices
>>>> were almost double what they are now, the Midwest farm wealth was
>>>> heavily influencing antique tractor values. Now with the commodities
>>>> at half the price there isn't as much disposable income being thrown
>>>> at antique tractors and
>>> associated equipment.  Even the Toy
>>>> market is soft compared to a few years ago.   Even the so called rare.
>>>> Limited production and/or limited configurations have taken a hit
>>>> but not as much as the "Plain Jane" tractors.
>>>>
>>>> Then there is another major influence and that is those born and
>>>> raised in the 1930's - 1950's era are starting to die off. Without
>>>> as many follow on collectors to replace them. The New generation
>>>> tractors, 1961 on have become a major portion of the current
>>>> collectors
>>> interest.
>>>> Dean VP
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:16 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know you could buy anything GREEN and running for that cheap!
>>>> Maybe markets are softening? I never see them on CL so I can't offer
>>>> any trends from there. There have been a couple Farmall H's that
>>>> look in similar condition for around $1,200-1,600 that have been for
>>>> sale for a while now on CL. Maybe this is one of those times its not
>>>> JUST about the money, how about getting him to make you an offer--if
>>>> its way more than you really need you can always counter with a
>>>> lower offer--you'd both feel good about the deal then!
>>>>
>>>> John Hall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/8/2016 9:09 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Dean, I was thinking $1500 myself. Maybe I'm a little high?
>>>>> I
>>>> thought a few pictures would be nice too, so here they are.  The
>>>> folks that go to Portland have seen it a few times:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would suggest $1000 to $1,500.  The 39 models are not the most
>>>>>> desired collector letter Series tractors and fully restored might
>>>>>> Bring up to $2500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dean VP
>>>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer
>>>>>> Yost
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 5:01 PM
>>>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>> Subject: [AT] Tractors and other stuff...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an older neighbor, who is really nice guy and loves old
>>>>>> tractors. He is on several of his life, and loves to help me bale
>>>>>> hay. In fact the last few cuttings I have not even been able to
>>>>>> operate my own equipment. I just pick up a bales - he operates
>>>>>> them for me :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He wants to buy my John Deere B. Since he is older and in poor
>>>>>> health I want to sell this to him.  I know he would really
>>>>>> appreciate it, love it, and take care of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a 1939  in  original, unmolested condition with flat spoke
>>>>>> wheels, a leaking radiator and good tires. Other than that there's
>>>>>> nothing special (or
>>>>>> bad) about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I don't want to take a bath on it, I want to give him a
>>>>>> very, very good price. What would you folks recommend?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS:   There is a list member with experience with the Dodge Ram
>>>> eco-diesel.
>>>>>> If that person could reply to me, off list if necessary, I have a few
>>>>>> questions.   Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>>>>
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