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Steve Offiler
soffiler at gmail.com
Sun Aug 28 15:44:16 PDT 2016
Dave's comment about the Kubota reminds me... Once I accidentally put the gasoline version of StaBil into my diesel can. I realized what I'd done but figured, what could go wrong? Famous last words. The tractor ran (early 1990's Ford 1520, Japanese built 3-cyl diesel about 25HP) but it was terrible to start cold and even fully warm it was misfiring and way down on power. This, from 2oz in 5 gallons. Drained it and used it for brush piles. Stanadyne diesel treatment brought my tractor back to life.
SO
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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:32 PM, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
> I use Stabil in all the gasoline tanks I have that will sit over the winter. That includes a 1953 MH, all my stationary engines (1914 to 1923) my chain saw and my weed eater, my generator/welder and my wife’s car. NEVER had a problem with any of them! (My F250 and my Kubota don't seem to need the Stabil!)
> Dave
>
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>>
>> My only really bad experiences with ethanol fuel is with very small engines like chainsaws, weedeaters and blowers. I use ethanol free fuel for those. Anything larger I have not had much trouble with. The few times I had what I believe to be fuel issues in the larger engines were in the spring, were minor, and I can always start the engine. A little seafoam later it would be running fine. I do not typically use stabil in the winter. I wouldn't store it in the tank longer than a southern winter though...
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>>
>>
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My only comment on that is to raise the possibility that multiple separate
>>> Chinese factories might be building Honda clones, and only one of them (per
>>> your info) is using Honda tooling and quality control.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Henry Miller <hank at millerfarm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I understand, the Chinese had a contract to make Honda small engines
>>>> for a few years. The contract didn't require them to give any of the
>>>> molds back after the contract was up. The Chinese just had to change the
>>>> name. In short these are Honda engines, probably with Honda designed
>>>> quality control, but made by someone else.
>>>>
>>>> The patents on the Honda engine are long expired. All Honda has is a
>>>> name and quality control. The Chinese seemed to be learning quality
>>>> control, and they had a leg up because Honda didn't give the contract
>>>> without first ensuring good quality control that they just need to
>>>> continue.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Henry Miller
>>>> hank at millerfarm.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016, at 07:47 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>> That's interesting Cecil and it sort of suggests that the Chinese managed
>>>>> to knock off whatever is good about the Honda that makes it tolerate old
>>>>> gas.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, cecil bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one on a sprayer and it set for over a year and had the worst
>>>>>> smelling gas in it. I had to pull on it about 4 times before it
>>>> started
>>>>>> and ran fine. I sprayed with it a week ago and had no problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/23/2016 6:50 AM, Mogrits wrote:
>>>>>>> Stephen, I have no idea, as I haven't left gas in one that long, but
>>>> if
>>>>>>> someone would mate the old Briggs and Stratton venturi carb (no bowl
>>>> and
>>>>>>> float) to the Honda OHV design with electronic ignition, they would
>>>> have
>>>>>>> the ideal small engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Stephen Offiler <
>>>> soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do those Chonda engines run on 18-month old gas like the real thing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlie, that should indeed work as a replacement for him. I put
>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>> those on a Murray 20" push mower body to create what I call
>>>>>>>> "Frankenmower".
>>>>>>>>> Starts just like a Honda, and cuts through most anything without
>>>>>>>> complaint,
>>>>>>>>> including "monkey grass" or lariope. Some people have adaptor
>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> mating
>>>>>>>>> them up, but the review section of the Harbor Freight page gives
>>>>>>>> solutions
>>>>>>>>> to almost all of those.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Around here we call them "Chondas", as they appear to be
>>>> knock-offs of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Honda OHV design.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM, charlie hill <
>>>>>>>> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dick wouldn't this work as a replacement for the 5.5 vertical
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/55-hp-173cc-ohv-vertical-
>>>>>>>>>> shaft-gas-engine-carb-69731.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Dick Day
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 11:20 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Modern Gasoline
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Several years ago, I converted our 15-year old Generac generator
>>>> to
>>>>>> LP.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> always did start easy (electric start) but with LP I can connect
>>>> it to
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> 500gallon LP tank if we ever got stranded by a blizzard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My other gas implements (push mower, 2 garden tractors, power
>>>> washer,
>>>>>>>>>> tiller) don't always start as easy even though I would let the
>>>> gas run
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> in the fall. My plan was to convert every gas engine we had.
>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> got a Troy Built sickle mower. That was next on my list to convert
>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> discovered that there are no engines I can buy to replace the
>>>> vertical
>>>>>>>>>> 5.5hp Briggs that's on there. I don't think that converting it
>>>> to LP
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> necessarily hurt the engine but decided not to take a chance and
>>>> never
>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>> around to the other engines. I retire next spring. Once that
>>>> happens,
>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>> get back on my LP conversion project.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Stephen Offiler <
>>>> soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just pulled out my power washer and realized it has not been
>>>> run
>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>> March 2015. Half a tank of fuel still sloshing around. On the
>>>>>>>>> upside, I
>>>>>>>>>>> am always careful to turn off the gas and run the carb dry. I am
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>> careful to add Sta-Bil as soon as I purchase gas. We have
>>>> ethanol in
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> gas around here like in most places in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It started on the first pull. Literally.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Engine is a 9HP Honda GX270 (I think). I suppose there might be
>>>>>>>>>> qualities
>>>>>>>>>>> of the engine (strong spark, strong fuel vaporization in the
>>>> carb,
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever...) that help it run on crappy old gas. Or something.
>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>> shaking my head in amazement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SO
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