[AT] Modern Gasoline

Sun Aug 28 09:08:44 PDT 2016

My only really bad experiences with ethanol fuel is with very small engines like  chainsaws, weedeaters and blowers.  I use ethanol free fuel for those.  Anything larger I have not had much trouble with. The few times I had what I believe to be fuel issues in the larger engines were in the spring, were minor, and I can always start the engine.  A little seafoam later it would be running fine. I do not typically use stabil in the winter.  I wouldn't store it in the tank longer than a southern winter though...

Spencer Yost

Spencer Yost
> On Aug 23, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My only comment on that is to raise the possibility that multiple separate
> Chinese factories might be building Honda clones, and only one of them (per
> your info) is using Honda tooling and quality control.
> 
> SO
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Henry Miller <hank at millerfarm.com> wrote:
>> 
>> As I understand, the Chinese had a contract to make Honda small engines
>> for a few years. The contract didn't require them to give any of the
>> molds back after the contract was up. The Chinese just had to change the
>> name. In short these are Honda engines, probably with Honda designed
>> quality control, but made by someone else.
>> 
>> The patents on the Honda engine are long expired. All Honda has is a
>> name and quality control. The Chinese seemed to be learning quality
>> control, and they had a leg up because Honda didn't give the contract
>> without first ensuring good quality control that they just need to
>> continue.
>> 
>> --
>> Henry Miller
>> hank at millerfarm.com
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016, at 07:47 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>> That's interesting Cecil and it sort of suggests that the Chinese managed
>>> to knock off whatever is good about the Honda that makes it tolerate old
>>> gas.
>>> 
>>> SO
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, cecil bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have one on a sprayer and it set for over a year and had the worst
>>>> smelling gas in it.  I had to pull on it about 4 times before it
>> started
>>>> and ran fine.   I sprayed with it a week ago and had no problems.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/23/2016 6:50 AM, Mogrits wrote:
>>>>> Stephen, I have no idea, as I haven't left gas in one that long, but
>> if
>>>>> someone would mate the old Briggs and Stratton venturi carb (no bowl
>> and
>>>>> float) to the Honda OHV design with electronic ignition, they would
>> have
>>>>> the ideal small engine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warren
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Stephen Offiler <
>> soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do those Chonda engines run on 18-month old gas like the real thing?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SO
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Charlie, that should indeed work as a replacement for him. I put
>> one of
>>>>>>> those on a Murray 20" push mower body to create what I call
>>>>>> "Frankenmower".
>>>>>>> Starts just like a Honda, and cuts through most anything without
>>>>>> complaint,
>>>>>>> including "monkey grass" or lariope. Some people have adaptor
>> issues
>>>>>> mating
>>>>>>> them up, but the review section of the Harbor Freight page gives
>>>>>> solutions
>>>>>>> to almost all of those.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Around here we call them "Chondas", as they appear to be
>> knock-offs of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Honda OHV design.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Warren
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM, charlie hill <
>>>>>> charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dick wouldn't this work as a replacement for the 5.5 vertical
>>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/55-hp-173cc-ohv-vertical-
>>>>>>>> shaft-gas-engine-carb-69731.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Dick Day
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 11:20 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Modern Gasoline
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Several years ago, I converted our 15-year old Generac generator
>> to
>>>> LP.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> always did start easy (electric start) but with LP I can connect
>> it to
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> 500gallon LP tank if we ever got stranded by a blizzard.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My other gas implements (push mower, 2 garden tractors, power
>> washer,
>>>>>>>> tiller) don't always start as easy even though I would let the
>> gas run
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> in the fall.    My plan was to convert every gas engine we had.
>> I've
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> got a Troy Built sickle mower. That was next on my list to convert
>>>>>> until
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> discovered that there are no engines I can buy to replace the
>> vertical
>>>>>>>> 5.5hp Briggs that's on there.  I don't think that converting it
>> to LP
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> necessarily hurt the engine but decided not to take a chance and
>> never
>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> around to the other engines. I retire next spring. Once that
>> happens,
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>> get back on my LP conversion project.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Stephen Offiler <
>> soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I just pulled out my power washer and realized it has not been
>> run
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>> March 2015.  Half a tank of fuel still sloshing around.  On the
>>>>>>> upside, I
>>>>>>>>> am always careful to turn off the gas and run the carb dry.  I am
>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> careful to add Sta-Bil as soon as I purchase gas.  We have
>> ethanol in
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> gas around here like in most places in the USA.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It started on the first pull.  Literally.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Engine is a 9HP Honda GX270 (I think).  I suppose there might be
>>>>>>>> qualities
>>>>>>>>> of the engine (strong spark, strong fuel vaporization in the
>> carb,
>>>>>>>>> whatever...) that help it run on crappy old gas.  Or something.
>> I'm
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> shaking my head in amazement.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> SO
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