[AT] off topic , really confused

[Dean VP]

Steve,

I am not intending to try to contradict or create a conflict. All I'm saying
is we have responsibilities to lead not follow. 

Dean VP
Snohomish, WA 98290

It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. 

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If I'm reading this right, it's a rebuttal to Spencer, and personally I
think his words on this subject are very wise indeed.

Not speaking up is NOT a complete failure, not always.  I'll drag out some
familiar evidence:

"If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" (source unknown,
but I bet your mother said it)

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove
all doubt."  (This has been attributed to Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain
among others).   There is a Biblical verse expressing the same sentiment,
Proverbs 17:28 King James version:  "Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace,
is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of
understanding."


SO




On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:56 PM, deanvp <deanvp at att.net> wrote:

> I think it very important we make our selves heard to try to retain 
> the values we grew up with.  Not speaking up is a complete failure on our
part.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet
> -------- Original message --------From: David Bruce 
> <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
> Date: 8/12/16  6:38 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Antique tractor email 
> discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: Re: [AT] off 
> topic , really confused Long years ago I sat on my grandpa's front 
> porch listening to the problems of the younger generation (the ones 
> who fought WWI and Korea).
> To me a lot of this sounds much the same. Yes I have strong political 
> beliefs which don't fit with the current climate but it serves little 
> purpose to grouse about that here.
>
> David
>
> NW NC
>
>
> On 8/12/2016 9:06 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> > The only reason I originally I replied  is because I don't see 
> > anyone
> under 40 at the tractor shows(or on this list) unless they are exactly 
> like us or were dragged by their parent/uncle/neighbor.
> >
> > I understand, and none of us ever have to agree with any of it.   But to
> act indignant and righteous, as us old guys tend to act (me included 
> sometimes), well;  all we do is lose our credibility and positions of 
> leadership.
> >
> > The battle of hearts and mind begins with relevance and a generous
> helping of goodwill towards all men -including the young men with 
> pants around their knees - on Facebook all the time.
> >
> > Its hard sometimes I know - trust me I understand.  I hire local
> teenagers on the farm just to expose them to the lifestyle and hard 
> work in the sun.  I promise they will brag about hauling hay in July, just
like we
> do, one day.   Their performance sucks, but truth be told mine probably
did
> do.  The baton we pass is a funny, fickle thing.
> >
> > Spencer Yost
>
>
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