[AT] OFF Topic: 4 month Verizon WAR

Fri Sep 4 07:25:52 PDT 2015

It has to be judged with a LOT of skepticism but for breaking news it 
has its place.

David
NW NC

On 9/4/2015 9:51 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
> TWITTER! Now THERE is a GREAT source for news!
> 	Dave
>
> On Sep 4, 2015, at 9:15 AM, David Bruce <davidbruce at yadtel.net> wrote:
>
>> If I found another way to see live sports I would totally cut the cord.
>> That is my one thing that keeps me with cable. Breaking News I now get
>> via Twitter (which is much more breaking but often less accurate so
>> there is a tradeoff there).  Broadcast News is always superficial and
>> most always biased either intentionally or not - I guess that is the
>> human condition.
>>
>> David
>> NW NC
>>
>> On 9/4/2015 7:45 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>> Again, Mike M and I are 100% in agreement.  I enjoyed his comments about
>>> "news" these days.
>>>
>>> Have you ever had something significant happen locally, big enough to make
>>> the Big Four national news?  I've seen this at least a few times
>>> (typically, weather events; we've had a couple that were the lead story on
>>> the national news).  Since it's local, I naturally have a pretty decent
>>> picture of what's really going on.  Every single time, the national news
>>> report is superficial, hitting only a fraction of the details that would be
>>> needed to present something like a comprehensive picture.  I know they have
>>> time constraints but each and every time they could have told a decent
>>> story in the time alotted; instead what came out is just the shocking
>>> "entertaining" details which tell a very distorted version of the real
>>> story.  It is reasonable to believe that every single story is the same -
>>> there is NO comprehensive responsible journalism in the news.
>>>
>>> I am politically pretty neutral, and I am bothered by most news sources,
>>> which almost always have a bias, typically either a subtle liberal slant or
>>> a strong conservative slant.  One of the news sources I tend to like these
>>> days, which makes a real effort to focus on facts and responsible
>>> journalism, is called The Conversation.  It's much more oriented toward
>>> news analysis, versus useless up-to-the-minute "late breaking news!" sound
>>> bites.
>>>
>>> https://theconversation.com/us
>>>
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never felt better than after cutting the cord, I don't care what's
>>>> on TV because I watch so little of it. If you're the type that thinks
>>>> you are actually getting news from any of the major outlets, then you
>>>> are fooling yourself, and that includes FOX news, which I used to watch.
>>>> Having two people on with opposing viewpoints and watching them talk
>>>> over each other for 10 minutes is not news, it's crap. If you can't find
>>>> independent sources for news on the internet, then you are part of the
>>>> problem in my opinion.  Just remember the editor chooses what to run, so
>>>> you are letting one person decide what you see and what you hear.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/2/2015 10:08 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>> I'm with Mike M!  Over the 12 years I've lived in my current home, we've
>>>>> been back and forth with DirecTV, cable TV, brief periods with both, and
>>>>> now for the last couple years, none of the above.  The future of home
>>>>> entertainment is streaming from the Internet.  We use the cable now for
>>>>> nothing but Internet service which is somewhere around $60 a month.  And
>>>> we
>>>>> pay $8 a month for Hulu Plus.  (Seems like almost everyone does Netflix,
>>>>> but somehow we get along fine with just Hulu.)  We don't have rooftop
>>>>> antenna, because according to some website that analyzes your terrain
>>>>> versus the signals from local towers, I'd need a really tall mast and a
>>>>> fancy amplified antenna to grab about two channels.  I guess I live in a
>>>>> hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> The huge upside to streaming, that I have not heard anyone mention yet,
>>>> is
>>>>> that the whole Internet acts effectively as your DVR.  You can watch
>>>>> anything the Internet offers, and unlike either cable or satellite DVR's,
>>>>> there's no need to decide upfront what you want to record.
>>>>>
>>>>> Downside to streaming is pro sports.  Or at least so I am told.  I'm not
>>>> a
>>>>> fan of any conventional sports like baseball or football or basketball
>>>> so I
>>>>> can't say for sure but I hear that it's either expensive or impossible to
>>>>> stream sports.  I think that's where the rooftop antenna comes in.  And
>>>> you
>>>>> can get fairly inexpensive DVR's for antennas these days (TiVo OTA for
>>>> $50
>>>>> and $15 a month subscription fee).
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said before Charlie, I recently cut the cord, and couldn't be
>>>>>> happier. I have a roof top antennae, ($40) , and I have have Netflix and
>>>>>> Hulu, each $8.00 per month. We have not run out of stuff to watch, and
>>>>>> were quite frankly getting sick of the PC crap the networks were
>>>>>> cramming down our throats. My wife gets up early for work, and by the
>>>>>> time we get evening chores done, we have about 1 hour for TV. It will be
>>>>>> years before we run out of content, if ever. It saved me about $1000 per
>>>>>> year, that's  a nice tractor implement each year. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/1/2015 7:16 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve,  I threatened to leave Dish Network off and on for years
>>>>>>> and they would never do anything to help me.  I called and
>>>>>>> asked for some new equipment and they refused to supply that.
>>>>>>> I was there customer for probably 20 years or close to it myself.
>>>>>>> Finally they sent me a letter telling me they were changing their
>>>>>>> satellites and my equipment wouldn't work any longer.  I called them
>>>>>>> and told them the only way I would agree to their changes was if they
>>>>>>> did something about the amount of money I was paying them. It had
>>>>>>> gone up over the years from about 70 bucks to over 100.  They kept
>>>>>> wanting
>>>>>>> to come and put in new equipment.  I refused unless they would cut the
>>>>>>> price down to something close to what they were offering to new
>>>>>> customers.
>>>>>>> They wouldn't budge.  Finally the day came when channels started not
>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>> I called them up and cancelled my service.  They begged me to stay but
>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> would offer to lower the price.  After I cut them off they started
>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>> induce me to come back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was going to switch to Direct TV for a couple of years but now with
>>>>>> AT&T
>>>>>>> buying them
>>>>>>> out I'm not sure I want to go there either.   I've got access to fiber
>>>>>> optic
>>>>>>> cable but
>>>>>>> for what I had with Dish Network on Cable would cost me over $150.00 a
>>>>>> month
>>>>>>> and I still
>>>>>>> wouldn't be watching more than about 20 channels.  They structure their
>>>>>>> "packages" so that
>>>>>>> you can't get all of what you want in a certain category without
>>>> buying a
>>>>>>> high end package.
>>>>>>> It's ridiculous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Steve W.
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:18 PM
>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OFF Topic: 4 month Verizon WAR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> charlie hill wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've recently dropped Dish Network for the same reason.
>>>>>>>> My problem is, the few stations I do want to watch are only
>>>>>>>> available on satellite or cable and some of them aren't even
>>>>>>>> on our local cable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>> Many shows are available online as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have Dish here but hardly watch it I was all set to cancel it but
>>>> told
>>>>>>> the wife it was up to her as she watches a few shows. She called to
>>>>>>> cancel and shocked the company, "You've been with Dish for over 20
>>>>>>> years"!!  We can't let you go, how about we drop the price by $30.00 a
>>>>>>> month...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've switched to watching shows online. Fewer commercials and you can
>>>>>>> pause it when you wish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just started watching Downton Abbey. Great show IF you know some
>>>>>>> history. It follows an English aristocratic family from just prior to
>>>>>>> WWI as they deal with the changes around them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOTS of other shows out there as well as entire networks
>>>>>>>
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